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Someone could crowdsource a documentary and launch their career with the money it would raise...
https://youtu.be/nEjkibv6KFQ Natgeo already has a full season on Monkey thieves.
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Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town
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Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town
#202I'm not sure if monkeys experience revenge the way humans do. As one of the comments mentioned in the article, it's probably just a survival instinct.
My great grand uncle is known in my mother's family side for getting killed by a camel that he mistreated years earlier. He apparently was usually very gentle with his camel herd but at some point that particular male didn't want to move so he hit him with a cane, and years later when he was working behind that male again he just got stomped to death.
I'm sure the story has been "embellished" a bit though and there's probably tons of confounding factor but I've heard a lot of similar stories about camels and their famous penchant for revenge :).
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#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Langoor monkeys are a fearsome force in India and not to be messed with. I thought langoors were more friendly towards humans compared to macaques?
I would expect most animals that still exist to at the very least not be a major threat to humans - because if they are, they tend to cease to exist.
These monkeys are not fatally dangerous if that's what GP is saying.
But they cause heavy and serious nuisance.
Where I live, these monkeys invade gradens, agricultural fields, house rooftops at least 4-5 times a month.
The locals drop anything they do, and chase away these monkeys.
When chased by an adult male human, these monkeys don't fight back and are easily frightened. They don't mess with adult males or groups of humans.
A kid or a lone woman is not safe, though. When faced by them, monkeys gesture retaliation, and that is enough frightening.
An adult male cannot physically take on a monkey. It is impossible. Still they don't attack.
They steal bananas, mangos, guavas- all kinds of fruits, any food item not indoors, and destroy flowers and plants.
Thus, for families depending on these as their source of income have to always remain vigilant to monkey invasions. Common methods include- stone being thrown directly at them intending full harm, pebbles thrown by slingshots, and firecrackers. Banging metal objects loudly also seems to help.
We have mango groves that we lend on a yearly basis. The people who lease them from us establish outposts during the mango season which are always manned by at least one man with ready reinforcement in case of monkey invasion.
For those families not depending financially on tree products are also harmed. They make growing flowering plants difficult. They steal food from outdoors, and not to mention the awfully smelling solid and liquid excretion they leave on your rooftops.
(All rooftops are flat in the plains region, and they are important in our lives.)
By the way, I lost one pomelo (Citrus maxima) to a bunch of monkeys this very afternoon.
Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town
#204So I'm guessing that without intervention, two distinct sentient groups would be at constant warfare with each other until one group was extinct. Is this what happened with early hominids and why there aren't other creatures that have evolved to the same level of intelligence as humans?
Eating diets rich in fat was key for early hominid brain development. Probably why other creatures haven’t evolved to our levels of intelligence.
GP referred to other hominids. I'm pretty sure Neanderthals liked eating fat too.
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#205I grew up and studied in a University town in Central India, not far from Majalgaon FTA. I've personally witnessed the rivalry of the monkeys and the pariah dogs. In one particular instance a youngish dog was chasing the monkeys and wouldn't let them get on the ground. The leader of the monkey gang made a sudden move, swooped down and carried the dog pup on the tree and just dropped it from there. The pup survived an…
I remember when I travelled in India there was a bus stop where monkeys had specialized on stealing food from women. They would leave men alone and only go after women’s backpacks. They were also really good at unscrewing the caps of water bottles.
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
The story does say: Now, villagers reported that the monkeys are targeting small children which has created a panic within the village.
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> These people need guns
this exactly is what I have to deal with in the USA for neighbors.. small wonder anything larger than a dog is now extinct in most of North America.
meet up at the big truck rally
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#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
When America was trying to install a “democratic” government in Iraq there were a series of assassinations. In that case however the situation eventually stabilized. So that strategy is only as good as your opponents will. And it turns out there’s a lot of men who are willing to throw away their life in the hope of the power, money and prestige of being the top boss.
I wouldnt be so quick to say they're throwing their life away. Imagine being in a group with a tyrannical boss. Installing yourself as the boss may actually help save your life and ensure a future for you and your community/tribe.
Regardless, I wonder if there's a lot of men is the key factor here. Even if a reasonable fraction of a percent of the population isn't deterred by previous assassinations for a population in the millions, that's still a lot of replacements. The replacement rate of that subset of the population is almost certainly higher than the assassination rate.
Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town
#208I'm not sure if monkeys experience revenge the way humans do. As one of the comments mentioned in the article, it's probably just a survival instinct.
I doubt that. Try shooting an arrow at a crow (obviously not killing it) or throw a stone at a group of monkeys the next time chance presents it self. Not a good idea. One of my childhood nemesis were a group of crows from a tree nearby at which I shot an arrow with a home made toy bow (none were even hit). Those things harassed me for months before eventually forgetting (forgiving?) the incident :)
> throw a stone at a group of monkeys the next time chance presents it self
In places like the Monkey Temple in Bali that's exactly how you keep them at bay. In our local zoo where you can interact with lemurs, they can be chased away with a small water spray.
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#209> villagers began attempting to rescue the dogs on their own. But some of them have found themselves subject to the monkeys' retaliation, and some have even injured themselves or fallen from buildings how strong are these monkeys? I mean I know monkeys are strong but can they really ambush a human, and push them over a ledge? can they kidnap a human, carry them upward and drop them over a ledge?
> how strong are these monkeys?
One, or even two monkeys won't usually attack or even threaten an adult male. Although, a monkey will easily beat an adult male human.
They are like 2-3.5 ft, and weigh at least 20 kg.
They are also sneaky. You will be bitten and scratched badly, and will be fighting for life.
One monkey cannot lift a human.
I have lived in a monkey infested area for decades, and I have never even heard of someone dying by monkey attack.
They also come in packs. They totally avoid directly messing with humans. But if some reason is given, then they can attack.
I think they cannot lift a full grown human being. Or kidnap one.
I think these injuries are from people getting on the roofs by themselves to save dogs, and falling due to bad control, panic, being attacked, or all.
Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town
#210So I'm guessing that without intervention, two distinct sentient groups would be at constant warfare with each other until one group was extinct. Is this what happened with early hominids and why there aren't other creatures that have evolved to the same level of intelligence as humans?
This story reminds me of Jane Goodall writing about the Gombe Chimpanzee War:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War#War