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Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Chimp muscles are stronger than ours but we are often stronger than them in absolute terms because we are bigger (more muscle mass).

We are not stronger than chimps. Our arms certainly aren't.

Generally true, but the average chimp is only 50% stronger in relative terms and the average chimp is only 4ft tall.

https://www.pnas.org/content/114/28/7343

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2138714-chimps-are-not-...

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Don't know why people are so reluctant to admit animals are highly developed intellectualy. The cocncept of revenge is usually just denied, despite common observations. Wild animals, mostly, of course. Ask farmers - they'll have one or two stories of crows taking revenge. Even on humans.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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I grew up and studied in a University town in Central India, not far from Majalgaon FTA. I've personally witnessed the rivalry of the monkeys and the pariah dogs. In one particular instance a youngish dog was chasing the monkeys and wouldn't let them get on the ground. The leader of the monkey gang made a sudden move, swooped down and carried the dog pup on the tree and just dropped it from there. The pup survived an…

> Langoor monkeys are a fearsome force in India and not to be messed with. I thought langoors were more friendly towards humans compared to macaques?

I would expect most animals that still exist to at the very least not be a major threat to humans - because if they are, they tend to cease to exist.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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I grew up and studied in a University town in Central India, not far from Majalgaon FTA. I've personally witnessed the rivalry of the monkeys and the pariah dogs. In one particular instance a youngish dog was chasing the monkeys and wouldn't let them get on the ground. The leader of the monkey gang made a sudden move, swooped down and carried the dog pup on the tree and just dropped it from there. The pup survived an…

> Langoor monkeys are a fearsome force in India and not to be messed with. I thought langoors were more friendly towards humans compared to macaques?

indian kids throw rocks on dogs and monkeys when walking home from school to let off steam. i've personally seen a dog go after the kids for it. same with monkeys

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

#155

I'm not sure if monkeys experience revenge the way humans do. As one of the comments mentioned in the article, it's probably just a survival instinct.

I doubt that. Try shooting an arrow at a crow (obviously not killing it) or throw a stone at a group of monkeys the next time chance presents it self. Not a good idea. One of my childhood nemesis were a group of crows from a tree nearby at which I shot an arrow with a home made toy bow (none were even hit). Those things harassed me for months before eventually forgetting (forgiving?) the incident :)

Corvids are interesting, I've definitely been checked out by the ones in my neighborhood.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Take into consideration though that these minks were bred specifically to kill them for their skin. The end outcome was a ban on mink farms which is a pretty positive one for animal rights. I also think the e culling of all those minks was horrible but it's not as black and white as that.

> Take into consideration though that these minks were bred specifically to kill them for their skin. Is that not much more 'evil', to breed something specifically to kill it for its skin? If it's not, then why is it not allowed to be done by the same species to itself?

> Is that not much more 'evil', to breed something specifically to kill it for its skin?

That depends on what value/s you place on the thing being bred for its coat. Pretty much all cultures around the world are different, subtly or dramatically, on such issues.

> If it's not, then why is it not allowed to be done by the same species to itself?

The answer to that is: because the humans judge that the minks (and their existence) are not equals in value to the humans, rather, they're considered property, to be disposed of as the owner sees fit. And obviously that aspect (as the owner sees fit) varies by location/culture.

Your question - then why is it not allowed to be done by the same species to itself? - starts from the incorrect premise that values are objective, such as whether a mink should or should not be considered property (your premise requires starting from the notion that minks have protected rights and are equal to humans generally). Instead, those values are in fact subjective and will vary depending on which culture you're dealing with.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

#157

I'm not sure if monkeys experience revenge the way humans do. As one of the comments mentioned in the article, it's probably just a survival instinct.

I doubt that. Try shooting an arrow at a crow (obviously not killing it) or throw a stone at a group of monkeys the next time chance presents it self. Not a good idea. One of my childhood nemesis were a group of crows from a tree nearby at which I shot an arrow with a home made toy bow (none were even hit). Those things harassed me for months before eventually forgetting (forgiving?) the incident :)

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Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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well, the anxious animals got the baby back.. I am certain the monkeys did not ask nicely! but let's look at it differently, the monkey pack acted together right away for the safety of the smallest one.. did they hurt the humans? the story does not say that; a more aggressive animal would certainly hurt a human right away for the sake of a small one.. but those animals have been hunted and removed.. +1 monkeys from m…

The story does say: Now, villagers reported that the monkeys are targeting small children which has created a panic within the village.

We don't know the whole situation. Article says "villagers began attempting to rescue the dogs". But how? May be villagers tried to attack monkeys and they felt threatened.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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If you are in doubt about this being revenge, because you think revenge is exclusively a human behavior, then have a look at the Gombe Chimpanzee War [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War

There is also an otter war in Singapore

https://mothership.sg/2020/03/bishan-marina-otters-fight/

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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If you are in doubt about this being revenge, because you think revenge is exclusively a human behavior, then have a look at the Gombe Chimpanzee War [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War

Well that's super interesting.

I'm wondering, what does the article mean by the 3 enslaved at the end? I'm not sure what that would mean in the context of chimps

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