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Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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Re: Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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I bought a $1MM house in the bay area on a salary 1/10th of that. $2MM/year TC buys you a heck of a lot of house.

You probably meant you were given a loan to buy a house.

Yes, that’s how people typically buy houses. Deeming a salary low if you can’t buy a house with one year of after-taxes, after-expenses income, sounds rather insane to me.

Re: Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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Whenever I transpose my comments to HN, I usually do some light editing. The following comment is unedited because this headline kinda fired me up. Considering how Google’s treated AR and VR in the last 10 years, hyping people up then quietly pulling back support and finally cancellation after just 2-3 years, I don’t see this going well. They had a toehold 6-10 years ago which they could have easily kept iterating on…

100% I was a massive Google VR/AR adopter. Usually I'm a big iOS fan but I switched for a while because of Google's work there. I believe strongly that AR is the next major platform but I HIGHLY doubt Google will have a place in that market. They ignored Daydream and then killed it. ARCore is terrible to work with and pretty far behind ARKit and even Unity/Unreal's AR lib's. I'll never trust Google again given how terrible they have been to AR/VR.

Re: Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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post #14

Whenever I transpose my comments to HN, I usually do some light editing. The following comment is unedited because this headline kinda fired me up. Considering how Google’s treated AR and VR in the last 10 years, hyping people up then quietly pulling back support and finally cancellation after just 2-3 years, I don’t see this going well. They had a toehold 6-10 years ago which they could have easily kept iterating on…

This is because in Google, you are promoted/feted based on products you create, not what you maintain unless that's bringing in so much ad revenue that you can be spun off into a separate division.

Re: Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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I'm guessing Google VPs make ~5 mil a year, given that L8 engineers make ~1 mil a year [0] [0] levels.fyi

There are huge issues with how these salaries are reported. When you include stock compensation especially: what about vesting schedules and taxes? You can leave a job (by choice or otherwise) where you worked for a year and were making "1 million a year" with less than $300k in total compensation. It feels like a little trick being played on the employees, kind of like unlimited PTO. I'm sure some people actually en…

It's all fairly straightforward actually, as long as you're familiar with how compensation works at big companies (salary, stock, bonus, refreshers). Blind and levels.fyi have raised the transparency on comp quite a bit. $1M/year total compensation (that's annual comp, not the total four year vest) is reasonable for a L8/director-level at the tech giants. This is before tax of course, which is how literally everyone talks about compensation.

Re: Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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How is a tiny screen overlaid in an accessible field of vision, not totally obscuring your perception of reality, NOT "augmenting reality"? I agree it barely meets the threshold, but I don't write it off as not AR full stop.

Glass had no overlay. You don’t see reality and the screen at the same time. It is reality or the screen. (Just like a phone that isn’t running an AR app) Looking at the screen does obscure your perception of reality because your eye has to change focus. The little prism was transparent but it may as well have been translucent because you couldn’t focus on the screen and the world at the same time.

Sounds like it was just shitty AR

Re: Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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post #119

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Was that just a random number you threw out? Because it's depressing if even VPs can only afford three Bay Area homes.

VPs start at about 2M/year before taxes. That doesn't buy you much in the Bay Area.

That's a very odd take. There are very few homes one wouldn't be able to afford (yes, with a mortgage) at 2M/year.

Re: Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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post #14

Whenever I transpose my comments to HN, I usually do some light editing. The following comment is unedited because this headline kinda fired me up. Considering how Google’s treated AR and VR in the last 10 years, hyping people up then quietly pulling back support and finally cancellation after just 2-3 years, I don’t see this going well. They had a toehold 6-10 years ago which they could have easily kept iterating on…

Considering how Google’s treated AR and VR in the last 10 years, hyping people up then quietly pulling back support and finally cancellation after just 2-3 years, I don’t see this going well.

Not just AR/V like Glass. Web and mobile software, hardware, and platforms.

We've seen so many projects launch with incredible hype and die on the vine a few years later or wither to insignificance from lack of customer support, developer resources, or a workable strategy. Nexus. Blogger. Stadia. Music. Plus. Wave.

The lesson is clear: Google can't be trusted.

Re: Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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> We're still likely a decade or more away from mass consumer adoption of AR devices

Both Ars and Google seem a little behind the eight ball here (or a lot?). Do they realise that there are completely functional AR apps today on the Meta Quest store? Real apps where you can interact with virtual 3d objects in your own living room. I set up my own dojo with japanese decorations on all my office walls so that when I'm fighting my virtual opponent it has the right vibe. This is real, on a device in the low hundreds of dollars and owned already by millions.

I really think the media bought it's own hype 5 years ago when it went in hard on the "VR is dead" meme. All the while Facebook was changing the fundamentals of the game with a low cost portable device that all the enthusiasts snobbishly dismissed but regular consumers love.

Re: Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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Will that be Google's 68th Operating System or 69th I forget how many they are up to now. /s

I sure hope they create a new programming language for it too!

Well, someone has to get promoted!

Re: Google is building a new augmented reality device and operating system

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People laughed when Steve Balmer went on stage and started dancing around like a crazy man singing "Developers, developers, developers!" but that's what Microsoft gets right and Google gets wrong. As a developer, I have no confidence that Google will stick with anything. With Microsoft, I can still create a Windows Forms program. Heck, I could write a DOS program and it will still work in Windows 11. I'm currently le…

Microsoft bought Github and improved it. In addition to Visual Studio and C#, Microsoft developed VSCode and TypeScript. Microsoft pours a lot of love into Azure, WSL, and PowerShell. We know where they're going with things. Google considers us a stretch goal and will deprioritize and defund if developer revenue metrics aren't reached. Google developed Go (mixed feelings) and Dart (meh). GCP was once considered expen…

I find Google is really good at taking projects that work and building the infrastructure around it to keep it working.

They suck at innovation though.

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