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Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

booleandilemma wrote: post #29

Imagine the costs of a vaccine that would make you immortal in the US? Surely not everyone would be able to afford it. But then we could implement an immortality lottery, to give everyone a shot. That could be the devious slogan: “everyone gets a shot”. Devious because not everyone does, of course. If you win you get the vaccine and live forever, but your friends and family aren’t included.

"Imagine the costs of a vaccine that would make you immortal in the US? Surely not everyone would be able to afford it"

Why not? Surely that would depend on how much it costs to make, maybe it would be cheap as chips?

Oh, I see you completely subscribe to the customer theory of value, where price is dictated by "how much is it worth to the client?"

In that case it would have to be a subscribtion. Or, once you get the shot, the company ownes you. Come to this of it, the two situations are actually the same.

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Post by randmeerkat »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #302
randmeerkat wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This (the measuring, at least) is mostly a solved problem. I disagree. I’m familiar with the world happiness report. I don’t think that would be an adequate measurement to replace GDP with.

"adequate measurement to replace GDP with" There seems to be annunderlying assimption that GDP is a good meaurement? In UK we had reduction of life expectancy, wages, trade and production of physical goods while GDP grew. The only sources of GDP growth seem to be never-ending rise of house prices and inequality.

I’m not arguing that there aren’t problems with benchmarking society against GDP, there are. What I’m asking is, what is a better measurement? If it is something like happiness, then how do we quantify that in a meaningful way?

Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

gremloni wrote: post #78
booleandilemma wrote: post #29

Imagine the costs of a vaccine that would make you immortal in the US? Surely not everyone would be able to afford it. But then we could implement an immortality lottery, to give everyone a shot. That could be the devious slogan: “everyone gets a shot”. Devious because not everyone does, of course. If you win you get the vaccine and live forever, but your friends and family aren’t included.

Stop being a Luddite. That’s how technology works. First it’s available to only the super rich because it is expensive, then over time with advances and improvement or production it becomes more widely available. It’s cell therapy, it will inevitable end up becoming cheap.

"will inevitable end up becoming cheap."

Or we will end up an immortal ruling class cartel...

Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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Post by randmeerkat »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #303
randmeerkat wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure about that, there’s been all sorts of studies about old people and loneliness. The loneliness is so bad it impacts their health: http://www.nia.nih.gov/news/social-isolation-loneliness-olde... I would be genuinely surprised if older people are happier than younger people.

Lonelyness seems to be a problem of social institutions rather than physical defficiency?

I would argue that it’s neither, rather I believe that the issue is how society disproportionately worships youth.

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

randmeerkat wrote: post #312
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"adequate measurement to replace GDP with" There seems to be annunderlying assimption that GDP is a good meaurement? In UK we had reduction of life expectancy, wages, trade and production of physical goods while GDP grew. The only sources of GDP growth seem to be never-ending rise of house prices and inequality.

I’m not arguing that there aren’t problems with benchmarking society against GDP, there are. What I’m asking is, what is a better measurement? If it is something like happiness, then how do we quantify that in a meaningful way?

Trying to reduce society to one number is pure folly, but if you had to pick one, it would have to be quality of life-based metrics, surely? We already use them in medicine.

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Post by abracadaniel »

eska wrote: post #48
kyriakos wrote: post #21

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16 is too young and you won't be able to do a lot of things unless you walk around with paperwork all the time. 24 sounds good but I'd pick 30 cause looking 30 people take you a bit more seriously. You will be able to relate more with people in their 30swhen you are 50 but look 30 than with people in their 20s. Of course in this hypothetical scenario if everyone is not aging then it all cahnges.

I bet that assessment would cease to be the case once we have gotten used to 100 year olds that look 16

Presumably the birth rate would plummet, so the number of 100 year olds choosing to look 16 would probably vastly outnumber the actual 16 year olds.

Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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Post by namelosw »

obblekk wrote: post #194

1. Removing senescent cells extends life by 30-40% with huge quality of life improvements in the last 25% of the life (relative to control), in mice. This isn't an elimination of all aging, but quite a valuable thing regardless. Eventually, other causes of aging would kick in and still cause death, without a single senescent cell in your body (e.g. DNA methylation). 2. I believe all governments should create Warpspee…

> Imagine the massive GDP creation from making every 65+ year old feel 40 again.

Come on. It's like more than half a century ago some economists predict because of the improvement of technology and the overall production, most people only need to work 4 hours per day.

aaand now we have a lot of people working 12 hours a day over the wire already. GDP is the millstone that when it's bigger it grinds more soul - because things are operated in scale as technology develops, individuals can only grab every opportunity they have, in order to participate in the economy, even when the opportunity is outstraight abusive.

There will be new jobs but new jobs are either rockstar economies like being social media celebrities, or bullshit jobs that people have to scratch their head and come up with overpriced bullshit products from nothing and marketing those as the best thing ever.

It's not unlikely we ended up working 16 hours a day pointlessly in the so-called metaverse half a century from now on.

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Post by gumby »

bradleyjg wrote: post #293
zemvpferreira wrote: post #231

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Lots of money and no red tape.

I thought it was interesting that no country in the world did challenge vaccination trials despite there being many volunteers. I don’t know if I’d call that refusal red tape exactly but it’s in the neighborhood.

The big issue is consent.

Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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Post by randmeerkat »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #315
randmeerkat wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not arguing that there aren’t problems with benchmarking society against GDP, there are. What I’m asking is, what is a better measurement? If it is something like happiness, then how do we quantify that in a meaningful way?

Trying to reduce society to one number is pure folly, but if you had to pick one, it would have to be quality of life-based metrics, surely? We already use them in medicine.

Sure, but the original comment that spawned this thread was comparing happiness and GDP.

Re: Japanese scientists develop vaccine to eliminate cells behind aging

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Post by randmeerkat »

Terry_Roll wrote: post #258
obblekk wrote: post #194

1. Removing senescent cells extends life by 30-40% with huge quality of life improvements in the last 25% of the life (relative to control), in mice. This isn't an elimination of all aging, but quite a valuable thing regardless. Eventually, other causes of aging would kick in and still cause death, without a single senescent cell in your body (e.g. DNA methylation). 2. I believe all governments should create Warpspee…

> 2. I believe all governments should create Warpspeed for this approach. It wont be because of Govt but private business or a Uni maybe, you see if everyone lived a US lifestyle we need 4 planet earths, everyone living a UK lifestyle would required 2.5 planet earths, an EU lifestyle 2 planet earths, so do you see the problem if lifespans were increased any more than they currently are? Humans have exceeded the carry…

Or we move into space, that’s already part of the reason Bezos founded Blue Origin: https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/jeff-bezos-foresees-tri...
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