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Alarmed by Tesla’s self-driving test, state legislators demand answers from DMV

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If I had the money to buy an expensive car, I would want to drive it myself. If I could buy an airplane, I would want to fly it myself, too. I don’t understand rich guys who fork over for what is essentially a baby carriage pushed by a robot nanny. Where is your self-respect?

So you can't imagine what people would prefer over driving expensive cars? :D

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Actual user of the beta here. Happy to answer any questions that are honest. My opinion is let the technology develop in the open, warts and all.

Having seen many hours of FSD beta on Youtube, with the most recent updates, I am convinced the FSD driving is safer on the highway than humans driving. I bet the stats for accidents per mile driven are much lower for FSD than humans. It does stumble, very gracefully, in really unusual circumstances when driving in city streets. But it's so so close to covering these outlier situations. If I could choose to have only…

This is pretty much my experience. A lot of people testing it are in city centers with lots of complex things going on. For the most part in suburbs or smaller cities the driving is a lot more straightforward and it is already quite good there.

Re: Alarmed by Tesla’s self-driving test, state legislators demand answers from DMV

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I feel confused why 1) they would call both programs by the same name (arguing that an acronym is pretty much the same name) and 2) why the government even allows them to call it Full Self Driving, when there are levels of autonomous driving and I imagine most would assume Full means the highest level, which, Tesla has not yet achieved from everything I've read.

> I imagine most would assume Full means the highest level USB 2.0 got away with Full Speed/High Speed (with high being more than full)

Those weren't marketing names; that is, no-one was being presented with devices labeled "USB Full Speed (meaning USB1.1 full speed)" and buying them on the basis that that must be better than "USB High Speed".

Re: Alarmed by Tesla’s self-driving test, state legislators demand answers from DMV

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> I imagine most would assume Full means the highest level USB 2.0 got away with Full Speed/High Speed (with high being more than full)

Maybe with a USB "full speed" I assume it's the fastest that the current USB could go. For some reason, with self driving, the modifier "full" makes me think level 5 autonomy, which I'm almost certain it does not have. Actually, NHTSA defines[0] level 5 as: "An automated driving system (ADS) on the vehicle can do all the driving in all circumstances. The human occupants are just passengers and need never be involved…

> Maybe with a USB "full speed" I assume it's the fastest that the current USB could go.

That's correct; "Full speed" refers to the higher speed profile for USB1.1. It's a historical artifact, at this point, and wasn't generally used for marketing purposes.

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My delivery isn’t until June but I’ve held off on buying FSD (maybe I’ll enable it for the month when I do a long trip), but I’m worried about this fantom braking issue I’ve heard about.

You will have basic autopilot which can also phantom brake. It is not as bad as it seems and was possibly worse when they used radar. As long as you are attentive to the system it is not a big deal.

But why would I bother to buy an autonomous driver if I must be attentive to the system? I can just drive it myself then.

Re: Alarmed by Tesla’s self-driving test, state legislators demand answers from DMV

#156

If I had the money to buy an expensive car, I would want to drive it myself. If I could buy an airplane, I would want to fly it myself, too. I don’t understand rich guys who fork over for what is essentially a baby carriage pushed by a robot nanny. Where is your self-respect?

So you can't imagine what people would prefer over driving expensive cars? :D

No. And I am not sure what substance you abused that caused you to misinterpret me in that way. Perhaps caffeine? Let’s go with caffeine.

I once owned a sports car. I bought it because I enjoy driving. I am saying that I, as a red blooded American man, do not understand why other men who are in the market for an expensive car would choose to purchase what is functionally a nannyless pram.

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Would you trust it to drive your mother or a loved one across the country with zero assistance or interventions?

It is not possible in the current state so the point is moot. Seeing how it works first hand I am a firm believer in the vision only approach. I do think one day this will be possible with Vision (cameras) only.

Why do you say that? Did you have a first hand experience with not-only-vision approach?

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This is why I drive a big truck. When egomaniacs can trick the government into allowing them to set their half baked creations loose on public roads using unknowing and unwilling third parties as test subjects, I want to be the dominant term in any and all conservation of momentum equations that may ensue. As an aside, I’ve driven maybe 50,000 miles in my lifetime. Of those, 47,000+ are using pre-2005 vehicles with z…

What's funny about this is the safety ratings for Teslas are much better than any big trucks.

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Re: Alarmed by Tesla’s self-driving test, state legislators demand answers from DMV

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This is why I drive a big truck. When egomaniacs can trick the government into allowing them to set their half baked creations loose on public roads using unknowing and unwilling third parties as test subjects, I want to be the dominant term in any and all conservation of momentum equations that may ensue. As an aside, I’ve driven maybe 50,000 miles in my lifetime. Of those, 47,000+ are using pre-2005 vehicles with z…

What's funny about this is the safety ratings for Teslas are much better than any big trucks.

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Re: Alarmed by Tesla’s self-driving test, state legislators demand answers from DMV

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So you can't imagine what people would prefer over driving expensive cars? :D

No. And I am not sure what substance you abused that caused you to misinterpret me in that way. Perhaps caffeine? Let’s go with caffeine. I once owned a sports car. I bought it because I enjoy driving. I am saying that I, as a red blooded American man, do not understand why other men who are in the market for an expensive car would choose to purchase what is functionally a nannyless pram.

The only way you couldn't understand why people would prefer not driving a sporty car they can afford is for you to be unable to imagine a better way to spend time in a sporty car that doesn't involve driving it.

As you can see with me understanding exactly what you said, you tend to jump to conclusions while not understanding things. Maybe that explains the inability to grasp "rich people" motives.

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