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Alarmed by Tesla’s self-driving test, state legislators demand answers from DMV

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Re: Alarmed by Tesla’s self-driving test, state legislators demand answers from DMV

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Actual user of the beta here. Happy to answer any questions that are honest. My opinion is let the technology develop in the open, warts and all.

As someone who shares a road with Teslas, it feels like I have been enrolled in this beta without my consent, and without any tangible benefits to me.

What are the arguments for why non-owners should support this approach?

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Actual user of the beta here. Happy to answer any questions that are honest. My opinion is let the technology develop in the open, warts and all.

Doesn't "warts and all" for developing self-driving tech mean people dying?

It is possible and it has already happened with the Uber incident (even with that car having a saftey driver).

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When a 16-year old kids starts learning to drive on the city streets, is anybody alarmed? I doubt that is much safer. We should treat the AIs just as children at this point. They are simply learning.

Along this vein, let’s have some sort of visual indicator on the car when it’s self driving, maybe a green light on the front/back the same way that we flag learners. That way other drivers can be extra cautious when in the vicinity.

I’m not sure this would have helped the Tesla that steered into oncoming traffic. Luckily for the other driver the Tesla driver reacted and crashed off on the other direction. If he hadn’t done that I don’t think the other driver would have had the time to react even if he was aware of the danger the Tesla posed.

Re: Alarmed by Tesla’s self-driving test, state legislators demand answers from DMV

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post #57

Actual user of the beta here. Happy to answer any questions that are honest. My opinion is let the technology develop in the open, warts and all.

Help me understand how you think your opinion entitles you to gamble with other people's lives.

Because I don’t view it that way as an actual user of the system. I know I am still in full control of the vehicle as is any driver using it. Merely tapping the brakes is hardwired to return control to the driver. The system also has many controls to montior driver attentivness and alert or disable itself if the driver is not attentive. Recently folks have been kicked out of the beta program for lots of reasons so they are monitoring this closely.

Re: Alarmed by Tesla’s self-driving test, state legislators demand answers from DMV

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So why doesn't Tesla share raw data with the public, or regulators? I cannot think of better PR for Tesla, and autonomous driving in general.

They do and it is easily googled. https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport

That's only Autopilot and only gives one top line number per quarter, and comes after so much marketing fluff that it's pretty clear what department is generating it.

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Actual user of the beta here. Happy to answer any questions that are honest. My opinion is let the technology develop in the open, warts and all.

Would you trust it to drive your mother or a loved one across the country with zero assistance or interventions?

It is not possible in the current state so the point is moot. Seeing how it works first hand I am a firm believer in the vision only approach. I do think one day this will be possible with Vision (cameras) only.

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This I've long thought the be the Achilles' heel of autonomous. Even skilled human drivers have a hard time calibrating their style to the local situation. I remember the first time I drove as a passenger through Manhattan with my father driving, and couldn't get my head around his change in driving style. Was a side of him I'd never seen before - driving aggressively like a cab driver. I'm sure it came from his year…

For sure. Driving on a test track is a technical problem. Driving in traffic is a social problem. As you noted, how one drives in traffic is not just about getting somewhere, but about communicating and negotiating with other drivers around you. It's one of the things that makes me think that true self-driving may be in the AGI bucket.

If all the cars would be autonomous then this problem would be solved because they would all keep the same driving style right?

Re: Alarmed by Tesla’s self-driving test, state legislators demand answers from DMV

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I feel confused why 1) they would call both programs by the same name (arguing that an acronym is pretty much the same name) and 2) why the government even allows them to call it Full Self Driving, when there are levels of autonomous driving and I imagine most would assume Full means the highest level, which, Tesla has not yet achieved from everything I've read.

> I imagine most would assume Full means the highest level USB 2.0 got away with Full Speed/High Speed (with high being more than full)

USB failures likely don't result in the serious injury or death of the user
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