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Post by yesbut »

dragonwriter wrote: post #727
yesbut wrote: post #726

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I've never heard of any law that requires a publisher to review / filter information for public consumption. The only responsibility that a publisher at a capitalist media outlet has is to make sure their publications bring in a profit. That is their only "obligation".

> I've never heard of any law that requires a publisher to review / filter information for public consumption The law generally views the publisher as responsible for unlawful (defamatory, copyright infringing, etc.) content without evidence of specific knowledge, whereas distributors are generally liable only when they have specific knowledge of the facts that make the content unlawful. This, in effect, makes publis…

TIL: facts about the US empire's criminality are defamatory.

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Post by belorn »

regnull wrote: post #216
lettergram wrote: post #183

To fully appreciate the context: - he’s not a us citizen - none of the “crimes” happened on US soil - he’s a world famous journalist with prior work - was charged with bogus crimes in Europe in an attempt to arrest him. All dropped - the person who stole the files he released is already free and the tax payers paid for their transition

> none of the “crimes” happened on US soil He is charged with helping Chelsea Manning to hack into a government computer which did happen on US soil. “ they charged him with conspiring to commit unlawful computer intrusion based on his alleged agreement to try to help Ms. Manning break an encoded portion of passcode that would have permitted her to log on to a classified military network under another user’s identity…

With the pirate bay case and servers being on Swedish soil, any one who uploaded a copyrighted file helped the founders breaking copyright law. This mean millions of people, many located in the US, could be extradited to Sweden to face their crime they committed there.

How funny the world would be if laws was enforced equally.

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Post by gentleman11 »

mercy_dude wrote: post #283
kstenerud wrote: post #204

This should be a sobering view of how the world really works. Above a certain threshold, every veneer of civilization vanishes no matter what the country (some have a higher threshold than others). At this level, only power matters. And the first rule of power is: Don't embarrass the powerful unless you can call on a lot of power to defend yourself. Laws can't protect you; they can be thwarted and bent, and the legal…

The most infuriating among all of them has been our media - specifically mainstream media. They have played the entire saga down and in many cases many mainstream media pundits actively espoused for Assanges punishment [1]. I no longer hold the view that our media deserves the first amendment protection that it does. Mainstream media right now has no other purpose other than being active vehicle of the powerful and b…

> no longer hold the view that our media deserves the first amendment protection that it does. Mainstream media right now has no other purpose other than being active vehicle of the powerful and billionaire oligarchs to control the narrative.

You think the oligarchs should hold the media they allegedly control accountable for the things they say so that we can get less biased media? What?

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Post by kodah »

ceejayoz wrote: post #389
mercy_dude wrote: post #386

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My point is the way founding fathers envisioned first amendment protection, they never foresaw the rise of a small billionaires oligarchs owning large stake of media and newspapers to promote views favouring their narratives. I am not speaking of first amendment of individuals which I think is also under attack by the same group of people, look how the mainstream media would love to cancel certain people they don’t l…

The idea that people who lived in a time of tarring-and-feathering people couldn't anticipate cancel culture is a bit silly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Brown_(loyalist) > Brown requested the liberty to hold his own opinions, saying that he could "never enter into an Engagement to take up arms against the Country which gave him being", and finally met their demands with pistol and sword. The crowd seized him…

> Cancelling someone is also known as freedom of association

Personally, I don't care that it's age old. It's still not okay, and I don't care whether it's better or worse in modern times. I'm not even sure how far outside of propaganda some of this stuff falls, which ironically has the opposite reception from the public.

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Post by akiselev »

Dah00n wrote: post #645
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #375

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I guess my point is that this goes for all countries. "Diplomats" are often not prosecuted or extradited for crimes committed abroad. It's not just the US that takes advantage of this system -- and I haven't even seen evidence that the US is an exception to the norm in this space. The "uses and abuses" section of the relevant page on Wikipedia has plenty of examples, and there are probably many more that don't make t…

How about a diplomats wife? They can clearly also escape extradition. It has nothing to do with what title you hold but if the US state gives a fuck or not.

> It has nothing to do with what title you hold but if the US state gives a fuck or not.

The US cares about US operatives because they have a job to do on behalf of the US. The operatives can't do their job if the host nation holds the prosecution of their spouse over their head. I think you may be under the false impression that the United States is unique in this regard but it's basic diplomacy as standardized by the Vienna Conventions on Diplomatic Relations [1] - Article 37 specifically.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_Diplomati...

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Post by mariusor »

cyanydeez wrote: post #709
mariusor wrote: post #571

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Are you saying that just because they released truthful information that was supplied to them (and it happens to be against your preferred side of the political spectrum) they are guilty of propaganda, or is there any proof that wikileaks rejected authentic documents concerning "the other side"?

let say you are an oracle, and you have access to all the truths. if you pick and choose which ones to release, you absolutely are propagandizing, trying to use selective information to misinform.

Sure, but without any proof, in the form of other leak organizations that released something that WikiLeaks withhold, or any other type of proof that they did, you are sharing with us your pet conspiracy theory, not facts.

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Post by pelasaco »

JCharante wrote: post #626
pelasaco wrote: post #486

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From the article: "The US had offered four assurances, including that Mr Assange would not be subject to solitary confinement pre or post-trial or detained at the ADX Florence Supermax jail - a maximum security prison in Colorado - if extradited. Lawyers for the US said he would be allowed to transfer to Australia to serve any prison sentence he may be given closer to home. And they argued Mr Assange's mental illness…

Well nobody has ever died while in custody of US law enforcement, so this seems reasonable

exactly, I'm not saying that it is perfect, but to keep comparing with Epstein and joking around won't help Julian Assange. Important is: if those Assurances could be documented and monitored by the international community, it is definitely great and TBH, would be better to Assange if he would have gotten something like that back in 2010.. he lost 10 years of his life in "prison", but it won't even be reduced from his sentence..

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Post by pydry »

akiselev wrote: post #735
Dah00n wrote: post #645

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How about a diplomats wife? They can clearly also escape extradition. It has nothing to do with what title you hold but if the US state gives a fuck or not.

> It has nothing to do with what title you hold but if the US state gives a fuck or not. The US cares about US operatives because they have a job to do on behalf of the US. The operatives can't do their job if the host nation holds the prosecution of their spouse over their head. I think you may be under the false impression that the United States is unique in this regard but it's basic diplomacy as standardized by t…

The Vienna convention was supposed to prevent trumped up crimes from being held over the heads of diplomats.

It's conventional for the diplomatic immunity to be waived if an actual major crime took place as a gesture of good faith.

The fact that the US doesnt do it here demonstrates just how little respect it has for the UK.

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Post by PoignardAzur »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #356
iam-TJ wrote: post #337

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"Kidnapping, assassination and a London shoot-out: Inside the CIA's secret war plans against WikiLeaks" [0] 26th September 2021 Yahoo News Kidnapping, assassination and a London shoot-out: Inside the CIA's secret war plans against WikiLeaks Zach Dorfman, Sean D. Naylor and Michael Isikoff September 26, 2021, 10:00 AM·39 min read In this article: In 2017, as Julian Assange began his fifth year holed up in Ecuador’s em…

Talk is cheap. Did they carry it out?

No, they just installed spy cameras in the embassy, hijacked the embassy's own surveillance system, tried to still Assange's kid's diapers to run a patpaternity test, all things that are apparently perfectly normal for the US to do on foreign soil.

I don't expect Assange to get murdered in the US, but I swear, if he does, all the people here who are talking about how the US would never do that and how shocking it would be if they did, these same people would be rushing to rationalize it away and say it's perfectly normal and Assange was a security threat and countries do what need to perserve national security or whatever.

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Post by Jcowell »

user743 wrote: post #446
alexvoda wrote: post #423

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I believe somewhere in here lies a fundamental problem with today's society. We have reached an absurd level of polarization. Any opinion you hold that is in contradiction with someone else's opinion, qualifies you for membership of the opposing camp. We should really work on depolarisation.

The establishment is the enemy, not each other. Also, I'm not sure where this "keep friends and family separate from business" idealogy came from, but business is just organizing production. If we're not going to try to hold those keys with our friends and family, then elites will hold them for us. Side note-no actual progress can come until there is sound money again.

This just seems like another polarization to me. Other people CAN be the enemy. Racist and White Supremacists are the enemy, especially to me. Now how we treat and decide to combat our enemies is a while other matter.
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