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Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by ceejayoz »

fredstarr wrote: post #630
ceejayoz wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Look, these talking heads are simply well-paid entertainers - nothing more. Entertainers have First Amendment rights, too. > They enjoy misleading and diverting attention away from the things that really matter. If I feel your argument does that, do I get to revoke your rights? > So I'd recommend that they be stripped of all of those protections and get the same punitive treatment that we, the People (we are the on…

Wow! You actually took my shit serious! LOL. Of course, I'm just being overly dramatic and would never support censorship in any way, shape or form. If you can't sense the sarcasm in my comment, I don't know what else to say :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

There's no way to tell these days. I feel bad for The Onion, really. Parody is dead.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by Dah00n »

nannal wrote: post #281
vbezhenar wrote: post #251

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There are countries which do not bend before others. Russia, China, Iran to name a few examples. They can protect those fleeing from the West. Just like West can protect people from those countries. World is not unipolar.

Let's ask Litvinenko his opinion?

His opinion on fleeing from the US? What are you on about?

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by sneak »

jMyles wrote: post #625
kstenerud wrote: post #204

This should be a sobering view of how the world really works. Above a certain threshold, every veneer of civilization vanishes no matter what the country (some have a higher threshold than others). At this level, only power matters. And the first rule of power is: Don't embarrass the powerful unless you can call on a lot of power to defend yourself. Laws can't protect you; they can be thwarted and bent, and the legal…

The thing I don't understand, given all this - and I say this with substantial study in Political Science, including a degree - is why then we still see such widespread admiration of the notion that states are legitimate organizational structures? Ostensibly they are different than corporations and other private entities specifically in that the standard by which their mandate exists is a public one. But once we see…

> is why then we still see such widespread admiration of the notion that states are legitimate organizational structures?

Because the states (indirectly, carefully, and tactfully) guide the media in those states, and the majority of people uncritically assume that the narratives they hear over and over again ("land of the free", "rule of law", "innocent until proven guilty", "justice is blind", "a free press") are true and correct, simply because they've been repeated at them so often.

Information that contradicts those beliefs is ignored, discredited, or discarded.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by the_optimist »

dang wrote: post #614
the_optimist wrote: post #74

Only in the sense of a Solzhenitsyn nightmare. There are breathing, ideologically-bent individuals pushing this. Who are they, and how do we hound them like they have hounded him.

Please don't take HN threads on ideological flamewar tangents. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29509343 .

Okay.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by Dah00n »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #375
pydry wrote: post #311

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>Plenty of people get extradited from the US to face charges abroad. Sure. People whom the US doesn't give a fuck about. "At their leisure" and "one rule for us; another for you" still applies. Sacoolas wasn't an exception in any meaningful sense. She is very much the rule.

I guess my point is that this goes for all countries. "Diplomats" are often not prosecuted or extradited for crimes committed abroad. It's not just the US that takes advantage of this system -- and I haven't even seen evidence that the US is an exception to the norm in this space. The "uses and abuses" section of the relevant page on Wikipedia has plenty of examples, and there are probably many more that don't make t…

How about a diplomats wife? They can clearly also escape extradition. It has nothing to do with what title you hold but if the US state gives a fuck or not.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by elif »

mafuy wrote: post #406
jollybean wrote: post #295

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This is ridiculous. Assange is alleged to have cooperated with a member of the US forces to release gigabytes of diplomatic cables etc. - which is possibly a crime. In all but rare cases, you absolutely do not have the right to break into systems of national security and release arbitrary information under the guise of 'journalism'. His extradition is perfectly rational, legal and judicially legitimate. The Abu Garib…

He did significant help in showing a major war crime that was covered up. That is, without doubt, more important. As a journalist, you sometimes have to jump a fence - that is generally, and legally, accepted. Else writing 'do not view or publish' on your crime diary would be sufficient to conceal it.

it is also worth noting that julian didnt jump any fence. He received and published data full stop. The only espionage was on part of the whistleblowers.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by tsimionescu »

tsimionescu wrote: post #520

This is devastating news. Seeing the injustice of how one of the greatest journalists of our age is being treated literally hurts. And not just by the US power system, but also most of the media, even people who pass as liberal like John Stewart are almost spitting in his face and treating the US repression as justified.

Edit: not John Stewart, John Oliver...

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Post by vanusa »

ChrisKnott wrote: post #624
tremon wrote: post #469

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Who is going to oversee and enforce these promises? The UK High Court? When the US violates their promises, will the High Court Judge personally fly to the US to collect Assange and bring him back to the UK?

They have no means to enforce it, the judgement is what they think will happen. If, say, North Korea gave assurances on how they would treat a prisoner their judgement would probably be different. The point is, saying the judgement is wrong is logically equivalent to stating that one of these assurances is going to be broken, which is an actual falsifiable proposition - I'm just asking which one you think is going to…

Saying the judgement is wrong is logically equivalent to stating that one of these assurances is going to be broken

No - that plainly does not follow.

All that is needed is to apply the standard of reasonable doubt: in this case, that the party in question (the U.S. government) can be trusted not to act contrary their assurances on these matters.

Which we are compelled to adopt, based on the very ample track record of their conduct in this regard.

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Post by Dah00n »

tristan957 wrote: post #414
ianhawes wrote: post #312

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> He is charged with helping Chelsea Manning to hack into a government computer which did happen on US soil. IIRC Manning was in Iraq at this time. Were servers they accessed in the US? Probably. But that would be a crime Manning committed.

The land that a foreign military base sits on is within the jurisdiction of the US.

That is irrelevant if the hacker isn't at the base or in the US. This here is US law being applied outside the US to someone doing something outside the US while not being a US citizen. There not a single way to twist and turn this where it is lawful to apply it to Assange. It's just another corrupt court bending its knee.

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Post by jessaustin »

hnfong wrote: post #517
seoaeu wrote: post #385

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Cry me a river. The vendetta clearly went both ways given what Assange was willing to do to sabotage her campaign.

Are you really saying the appropriate response to a "political opponent" trying to stop you from being elected is murder?

The masks are really coming off.
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