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Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by jessaustin »

deelowe wrote: post #360
jessaustin wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what? A private citizen has no obligation to secrecy.

I'm guessing that's about to be tested in court. The overarching question is at what point does a private citizen/activist become culpable. Developing technologies and social networks (old school kind, not facebook) which are explicitly designed to enable the stealing/leaking of state secrets would seem to be skirting pretty close to the line of "I'm just a private citizen/journalist." This is doubly true if said lea…

This is doubly true if said leaks end up putting military personnel and government assets in harms way.

We don't need to consider that possibility. It has been over a decade since this information was released. If anyone about whom USA government cares had ever suffered any harm (even if they actually deserved it) as a result, the USA war media would have crowed about it until we had all memorized all details. Not even a rumor exists of anything like that, so we know it didn't happen.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by mikeyouse »

bouncycastle wrote: post #46
unobatbayar wrote: post #35

Wish he revealed the secrets of China or Russia, not the United States.

They have released plenty of things on Russia too, eg https://wikileaks.org/spyfiles/russia/

They're not a neutral actor, which is a damn shame;

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/wikileaks-syria-files-syria-r...

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by boomboomsubban »

ChrisKnott wrote: post #379
vanusa wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For example - given the ample (and basically) record of U.S. authorities in regard to their treatment of so-called High Value Detainees -- and even of very low-value detainees at is borders, as we have seen in recent years -- the High Court had no reason whatsoever to lend credence to the so-called "assurances" they cited in their ruling: The High Court said Friday that it had received appropriate assurances from the…

Specifically which of these assurances are you saying will be broken?

They openly admit their willingness to break all three if "future acts" deem them necessary, not to mention they're free to stick him in another terrible jail with other restrictive measures even with the assurances.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by pessimizer »

y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #435
bladegash wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comment about being in Afghanistan was intended to convey that assuming information was released putting people in harms way, that I and people I cared about would have been directly impacted.

Your comment basically confirms what he said > If anything it suggests that you place a higher value on loyalty to the institution you belonged to that committed these war crimes and covered them up than you do on human rights. You realize you were the invader right?

No, they do not. Additionally, they think that we should decide what is right for us by what most effectively protects them.

Re: Julian Assange can be extradited to the US, court rules

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Post by queuebert »

DonHopkins wrote: post #118
Mvandenbergh wrote: post #63

This was inevitable to anyone who read the original ruling. What I said 11 months ago: " actually don't think this is such great news for him. Extradition was specifically blocked on the grounds of a particular regime he might be subjected to (to be fair, probably the only legal grounds on which he had any chance of succeeding). That leaves the US with a way out if they want to proceed with the extradition - guarante…

If only Hillary Clinton were serving her second term, then maybe he'd have a chance with that argument.

She'd probably drone strike him. "We came, we saw, he died."

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Post by xanaxagoras »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #428
lenkite wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most left journalists were dancing in joy when Assange got arrested. They never forgave him for exposing the Clinton emails and ensured he was heavily character assassinated over the next several years. He also became a victim of the #MeToo movement at its height. He was openly called evil/narcissist/etc in many "opinion" pieces. All the other important stuff he revealed never got the level of attention it deserved.

not only because of the left/right politics, but also because defending Assange as a "journalist" caused them grief. The definition of journalism is at stake: if someone who just posts to the internet is a journalist and can defend their actions as necessary for the operation of a free press, then that includes bloggers[0] and all sorts of riff-raff. Craig Murray's trial had a similar outcome: he's not a "proper" jou…

Your comment reminds me of CNN's special-in-their-own-minds status where laws are "different for the media." [0]

I agree that powerful media orgs see this as the definition of journalism at stake, and their assessment is close to self awareness in a way that falls comically short. The irony is the harder they fight the despicable internet bloggers the more credibility they lose - near zero at this point in my eyes. The media ideally is a group of citizens exercising their first amendment rights as a bulwark to government abuse; the media we've ended up today is a group of powerful entities aligned with the government. They are always on their best behavior to preserve their access to the latest carefully curated "leaks" and fat and happy in their position as lapdogs. Bloggers, citizen/independent journalists, etc. are the media, and what we call the media is at this point little more than the ministry of truth. Anyone whose worldview could consider Don Lemon a journalist and Glenn Greenwald a fringe internet blogger should be laughed out of whatever room they are in, I just can't take this position seriously.

[0] https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/787749893649600512

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Post by hnfong »

sschueller wrote: post #3

"But judges ruled the risk of suicide was removed by assurances from the US." Like Epstein? Let this be a point, there is no press freedom in the United States.

What do you mean in the US?

This is global jurisdiction and enforcement, that's what the extradition is about.

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Post by tremon »

ChrisKnott wrote: post #379
vanusa wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For example - given the ample (and basically) record of U.S. authorities in regard to their treatment of so-called High Value Detainees -- and even of very low-value detainees at is borders, as we have seen in recent years -- the High Court had no reason whatsoever to lend credence to the so-called "assurances" they cited in their ruling: The High Court said Friday that it had received appropriate assurances from the…

Specifically which of these assurances are you saying will be broken?

Who is going to oversee and enforce these promises? The UK High Court? When the US violates their promises, will the High Court Judge personally fly to the US to collect Assange and bring him back to the UK?

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Post by [deleted] »

regnull wrote: post #216
lettergram wrote: post #183

To fully appreciate the context: - he’s not a us citizen - none of the “crimes” happened on US soil - he’s a world famous journalist with prior work - was charged with bogus crimes in Europe in an attempt to arrest him. All dropped - the person who stole the files he released is already free and the tax payers paid for their transition

> none of the “crimes” happened on US soil He is charged with helping Chelsea Manning to hack into a government computer which did happen on US soil. “ they charged him with conspiring to commit unlawful computer intrusion based on his alleged agreement to try to help Ms. Manning break an encoded portion of passcode that would have permitted her to log on to a classified military network under another user’s identity…

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