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Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Post by r00fus »

dragontamer wrote: post #47
toomuchtodo wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will accept some lies for desperately needed progress. And, as you mention, lying works. Where would we be without Tesla succeeding? Definitely not where we are today. Legacy automakers are still making half hearted efforts at electrifying transportation while Tesla increases production 100% YoY. Legacy auto would’ve made no effort without Tesla coming at them hard, versus the little bit of effort they show today.…

> Where would we be without Tesla succeeding? Hydrogen Fuel Cells and probably more widespread PHEVs. Which would have been a superior future than where we are today. 10-million cars with 200lbs of Li-ion batteries each would save more energy from our transportation network than 2-million cars with 1000lbs of Li-ion batteries each. ------ At this point. Elon is incredibly anti-progress. He's switched into fighting ag…

Fuel Cells are the scam. The cheapest way to make hydrogen fuel is through fracking. It's dirty under the top-level.

So it's "no emissions" but still relies on the planet-killing petroleum fuel chain.

If you think PHEVs are somehow constrained by EVs - you have no idea of the patent forests Toyota and others have built on hybrid tech. It's not the lithium that's stopping PHEVs.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Post by wumpus »

dragontamer wrote: post #50
tbabb wrote: post #39

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What was the requirement that was satisfied by the battery swap?

California wrote an idiotic tax credit that gave +tax credits to vehicles that demonstrated a capacity to charge in under X minutes. Elon Musk shows off a battery swap demo on stage to "prove" it, and then grabbed the tax credit. Then he threw away the battery swap demo and never talked about it again. Its a combination of idiotic governance + a conman / liar at work. The government tax credit is a decent idea to spu…

That's about 1/3 of the story of the battery swap experiment. Tesla put engineering behind making the battery easily removable in all Model S cars, but actual customers (like me) didn't want to use battery swaps. I'd rather supercharge.

p.s. can you stop name-calling?

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Post by [deleted] »

woeirua wrote: post #12

If the Feds clamp down on this, but not on FSD, then we'll know for sure that we have meme regulators. One of these is marginally worse than having access to a modern smartphone. The other literally drives the car, and has proven repeatedly that it is incapable of performing anywhere near the level required to avoid accidents in the real-world.

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Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Post by rootusrootus »

hncurious wrote: post #71

1. Smartphones allow video games while driving. 2. Isn't the intention to allow passengers to use the screen? 3. Idiots who don't pay attention to the road already don't pay attention to the road. They are text messaging, checking notifications, putting on makeup, playing candy crush on their phone, watching netflix on their phone, scrolling twitter, reading email, looking for podcasts and on and on.

> 2. Isn't the intention to allow passengers to use the screen?

If it were a separate screen in front of the passenger, this would be a good argument. But since it is the screen the driver is supposed to look at for driving-related information...

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Post by slibhb »

dragontamer wrote: post #72
hef19898 wrote: post #28

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Ah, don't get me wrong, I don't have a very high opinion of Elon. I think Tesla is over-valued as a simple car company and selling it as a tech company is borderline charlatan. And yes, he fails at a lot of, let's call them non-core, products. And usually misses timelines for core products. Anyone else trying this would be nailed to the wall, Elon pulls it off. That alone is quite a skill. With the effect that Tesla…

> Anyone else trying this would be nailed to the wall, Elon pulls it off. That alone is quite a skill. PT Barnum, Elon Musk, Edison. More people pull it off than you'd think. Its an age old strategy of simply never admitting mistakes and hoping the American population ignores the mistakes. ------ Its what we like to call a "conman", you know... people who are really good at "confidence games" (what "conman" stands fo…

Calling him a conman given what he has achieved with electric cars and rockets is absurd. That's coming from a place of envy or resentment.

Musk over-promises, and often, but what he delivers is impressive even if it doesn't meet his promises. Therefore he's no conman.

The more interesting question is whether the over-promising is necessary if you want to achieve something substantial. Politicians certainly seem to think so.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Post by dragontamer »

deelowe wrote: post #56
dragontamer wrote: post #32

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https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#overview I'm seeing $44990 as the base price right now. There's no $35k Model 3, not in 2021 dollars, not in 2017 dollars. Not in inflation-adjusted dollars. Not available at all in any capacity.

It was always 35k with incentives.

I double checked on this.

https://www.valuewalk.com/2016/02/tesla-model-3-price-consum...

No it wasn't. People thought theyd get $27500 cars after the incentive.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Post by colordrops »

sgustard wrote: post #76
clavicat wrote: post #46

You know what would be cool? If you could use driving mechanisms as the game controller, like those arcade racing machines but in a real car. Imagine playing Forza or Mario Kart in your Tesla. Given that it’s all electric, this should be doable, right?

That's a feature of many Tesla games. Now imagine your steering wheel stops steering the car due to a bug when your passenger fires up a game.

It has the opposite problem. They intentionally don't disable steering while using the wheel to control the video game. The result is that your tires get ground down with a pile of black rubber dust on your driveway. I don't let the kids use the steering wheel for fear of destroying the tires.

I would be surprised if it is possible to disconnect the steering from the mechanical steering mechanism.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Post by draw_down »

hef19898 wrote: post #14
tiffanyh wrote: post #7

This is a known tactic by Elon. He does something that is so incredibly outrageous knowing it will get denied but in doing so, it pushes your mental anchor so far out, that it allows him to "meet in the middle" to get something approved that would not have been approved otherwise if he hadn't anchored you so far out.

Classic populist modus operadi. Push the pendulum to one extreme and move the perceived middle ground along. He does the same with goal posts and timelines. I have to give it to him so, he gets away with it for years now. And he ultimately delivers product, something most Musk-wannabes fail to do.

Hasn’t he been the richest man in the world at times? Why are we calling him a “populist”?

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Post by brianwawok »

dragontamer wrote: post #63
peter422 wrote: post #61

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There are more PHEVs than there has ever been. I know because I’m researching them to buy one. I can’t imagine how the success of Tesla has possibly not had the effect of speeding up legacy manufacturers to create PHEVs. Tesla led the way to get all this electrical car infrastructure out in the world that everybody else can take advantage of.

Talk to any Tesla-fan. "Icky ICE Engine". "Now you have two engines with twice the malfunctions". "I don't like oil changes". Etc. etc. They're incredibly anti-PHEV. Neither Elon nor his gang of supporters are very good for PHEVs. And on stage, Elon still derides them as a strategy. -------- Look: Elon / Tesla are right now arguing __against__ government incentives for PHEVs and EVs. His politics have flipped. He's n…

I am both a Tesla fan and a Tesla driver.

I am against PHEVs. When my parents recently went shopping for a new car, I tried to sell BEV. When I failed, I encouraged them to skip PHEV and just buy ICE.

PHEV are 2x the complexity and things to worry about and go wrong. You need to stop for gas AND plug in your car every day? You need to change your oil AND potentially replace your battery?

IMO PHEV exist because they are a compliance tool to meet green energy standards, but not generally a solid product. I see them vanishing very soon as BEV production capacity increases, and they will be a tiny footnote in the history of the automobile. In fact a salesmen directly told us that the PEV we were looking at (PEV XC90 I think?) was a joke, and we could just throw the plug in the trash when we got home and ignore that it existed.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Post by beachy »

ars wrote: post #42
tiffanyh wrote: post #7

This is a known tactic by Elon. He does something that is so incredibly outrageous knowing it will get denied but in doing so, it pushes your mental anchor so far out, that it allows him to "meet in the middle" to get something approved that would not have been approved otherwise if he hadn't anchored you so far out.

There is absolutely nothing outrageous about this. There's nothing wrong with the passenger playing a game. There are plenty of other distractions in the world, if you can't stop yourself from looking at a screen while driving, you shouldn't be driving in the first place. It's not the job of the car to stop you.

By that logic, why not allow movies/video, ads as well while driving?
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