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Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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1. Smartphones allow video games while driving.

2. Isn't the intention to allow passengers to use the screen?

3. Idiots who don't pay attention to the road already don't pay attention to the road. They are text messaging, checking notifications, putting on makeup, playing candy crush on their phone, watching netflix on their phone, scrolling twitter, reading email, looking for podcasts and on and on.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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> And he ultimately delivers product, something most Musk-wannabes fail to do. Where's are the solar roof? Battery swaps? And "coast-to-coast full self driving", $35,000 Model 3? Do you think the personal assistant robot will ever be a delivered product? ------- Musk has mastered the ability to make the public forget about his promises. He doesn't deliver on these promises at all. I think we're generally wising up to…

Ah, don't get me wrong, I don't have a very high opinion of Elon. I think Tesla is over-valued as a simple car company and selling it as a tech company is borderline charlatan. And yes, he fails at a lot of, let's call them non-core, products. And usually misses timelines for core products. Anyone else trying this would be nailed to the wall, Elon pulls it off. That alone is quite a skill. With the effect that Tesla…

> Anyone else trying this would be nailed to the wall, Elon pulls it off. That alone is quite a skill.

PT Barnum, Elon Musk, Edison.

More people pull it off than you'd think. Its an age old strategy of simply never admitting mistakes and hoping the American population ignores the mistakes.

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Its what we like to call a "conman", you know... people who are really good at "confidence games" (what "conman" stands for in short). You hit people with a lot of confidence, and people then give you money.

It works on small scales, it works on large scales. This isn't an attribute you should be praising. This is just how humans work, and people who abuse other humans with this tactic are immoral.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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> incapable of performing anywhere near the level required to avoid accidents in the real-world. Humans, as well. 38,000 dead and 4,400,000 injured every year in the US due to car accidents. It would be cool to decide on a framework where FSD is tested/approved to be not perfect but better than the average human

Tesla autopilot use nowhere near competitive with a human driver, no matter what they claim. I'm bullish on self-driving in general, but Tesla's misrepresentation of their self-driving capability has always been just shy of "fraud".

This is true of surface streets: on freeways, even the older “Autopilot” is pretty good: I’ve driven on-ramp to off-ramp like 60 miles without a disengagement.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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This is a known tactic by Elon. He does something that is so incredibly outrageous knowing it will get denied but in doing so, it pushes your mental anchor so far out, that it allows him to "meet in the middle" to get something approved that would not have been approved otherwise if he hadn't anchored you so far out.

I don't get this. What's so incredibly outrageous about enabling a game to be played while driving? Why on earth would Elon give two hoots wether or not his games are being played while driving? I think tesla just decided that disabling the game feature while the car is in motion is not necessary because why can't the passenger play. There's nothing outrageous about Tersla not nannying the driver. Anyway, there are infinite ways a driver can distract himself just using the touchscreen alone.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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This is a known tactic by Elon. He does something that is so incredibly outrageous knowing it will get denied but in doing so, it pushes your mental anchor so far out, that it allows him to "meet in the middle" to get something approved that would not have been approved otherwise if he hadn't anchored you so far out.

It's also how to get an R rating for a Hollywood movie including porn: make it absurdly hardcore and then edit it back. Opener negotiation tactic.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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You know what would be cool? If you could use driving mechanisms as the game controller, like those arcade racing machines but in a real car. Imagine playing Forza or Mario Kart in your Tesla. Given that it’s all electric, this should be doable, right?

That's a feature of many Tesla games. Now imagine your steering wheel stops steering the car due to a bug when your passenger fires up a game.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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There are more PHEVs than there has ever been. I know because I’m researching them to buy one. I can’t imagine how the success of Tesla has possibly not had the effect of speeding up legacy manufacturers to create PHEVs. Tesla led the way to get all this electrical car infrastructure out in the world that everybody else can take advantage of.

Talk to any Tesla-fan. "Icky ICE Engine". "Now you have two engines with twice the malfunctions". "I don't like oil changes". Etc. etc. They're incredibly anti-PHEV. Neither Elon nor his gang of supporters are very good for PHEVs. And on stage, Elon still derides them as a strategy. -------- Look: Elon / Tesla are right now arguing __against__ government incentives for PHEVs and EVs. His politics have flipped. He's n…

I mean, the whole two engines thing is true though right? If someone else can get the cost of H2 fuel cells down to a marketable level I'm sure Tesla would be very happy to fit them as optional range extenders to its next line up.

In the UK at least, most PHEVs sold are cynically avoiding a bunch of taxes and benefit in kind. Many of them are never plugged into a charger.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Ah, don't get me wrong, I don't have a very high opinion of Elon. I think Tesla is over-valued as a simple car company and selling it as a tech company is borderline charlatan. And yes, he fails at a lot of, let's call them non-core, products. And usually misses timelines for core products. Anyone else trying this would be nailed to the wall, Elon pulls it off. That alone is quite a skill. With the effect that Tesla…

> Anyone else trying this would be nailed to the wall, Elon pulls it off. That alone is quite a skill. PT Barnum, Elon Musk, Edison. More people pull it off than you'd think. Its an age old strategy of simply never admitting mistakes and hoping the American population ignores the mistakes. ------ Its what we like to call a "conman", you know... people who are really good at "confidence games" (what "conman" stands fo…

I wouldn't limit it on America, so. I'm not praising it, all things considered this behavior causes much more damage that it does, maybe, good. but even when it comes to conmen, there are bad ones, mediocre ones, good ones and really good ones. Musk absolutely is part of the latter group...

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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“In real terms” $39,490 today is $39,490 today.

Only today, that isn’t a statement they will still sell you a Model 3 for that nominal price in 4 or 40 years. Rather it’s a statement they will sell you for that price right now. He said they would sell at 35k and they did, briefly.

Sure, I agree with that, but you said:

> So not only where they selling at 35k for a while, in real terms they still are.

And I’m just saying no, because if they want to say they are still selling a $35k car, it needs to be priced $35k today. Sure, they started with a $35k car, but it is no longer the case. I haven’t suddenly increased my car budget from $35k to $40k in the last 4 years, regardless of inflation, because inflation != income growth. I still want a $35k car, and the fact they said for so long they would have one, and then upped the price, is annoying because I would spend $35k on a car but not $40k, regardless today or 2017.

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