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Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

#31

Post by dragontamer »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #25
dragontamer wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And he ultimately delivers product, something most Musk-wannabes fail to do. Where's are the solar roof? Battery swaps? And "coast-to-coast full self driving", $35,000 Model 3? Do you think the personal assistant robot will ever be a delivered product? ------- Musk has mastered the ability to make the public forget about his promises. He doesn't deliver on these promises at all. I think we're generally wising up to…

Solar roof was on a brewery in New England I recently patroned. You can buy it if you want to pay and wait for it. Battery swaps were to fully capture California ZEV credits until Tesla could grow large enough to not rely on them. The market for Teslas has flourished without them, relying only on Fast DC chargers for consumer range anxiety. Personal assistant robot is a cheap marketing effort to drive recruiting of t…

> Laugh and point fingers. The methods work, regardless of the feelings about them.

No. "Battery Swap" was a lie that was never delivered and frankly just stole money from California.

We all know that __lying__ works. The last few years have made it abundantly clear that the general population is far more accepting of these lies than I'm comfortable for.

So I'm going to keep pointing them out.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

#32

Post by dragontamer »

Retric wrote: post #30
dragontamer wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And he ultimately delivers product, something most Musk-wannabes fail to do. Where's are the solar roof? Battery swaps? And "coast-to-coast full self driving", $35,000 Model 3? Do you think the personal assistant robot will ever be a delivered product? ------- Musk has mastered the ability to make the public forget about his promises. He doesn't deliver on these promises at all. I think we're generally wising up to…

The current base price of $39,490 is is 34,997$ in 2017 dollars when it was introduced. So not only where they selling at 35k for a while, in real terms they still are. https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#overview

I'm seeing $44990 as the base price right now.

There's no $35k Model 3, not in 2021 dollars, not in 2017 dollars. Not in inflation-adjusted dollars. Not available at all in any capacity.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

#33

Post by toomuchtodo »

dragontamer wrote: post #31
toomuchtodo wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Solar roof was on a brewery in New England I recently patroned. You can buy it if you want to pay and wait for it. Battery swaps were to fully capture California ZEV credits until Tesla could grow large enough to not rely on them. The market for Teslas has flourished without them, relying only on Fast DC chargers for consumer range anxiety. Personal assistant robot is a cheap marketing effort to drive recruiting of t…

> Laugh and point fingers. The methods work, regardless of the feelings about them. No. "Battery Swap" was a lie that was never delivered and frankly just stole money from California. We all know that __lying__ works. The last few years have made it abundantly clear that the general population is far more accepting of these lies than I'm comfortable for. So I'm going to keep pointing them out.

I will accept some lies for desperately needed progress. And, as you mention, lying works. Where would we be without Tesla succeeding? Definitely not where we are today. Legacy automakers are still making half hearted efforts at electrifying transportation while Tesla increases production 100% YoY. Legacy auto would’ve made no effort without Tesla coming at them hard, versus the little bit of effort they show today.

Are you willing to sacrifice morally or ethically if the change needed to mitigate climate change is going to require some less than total honesty? Consider we, again, as you mention, live in a post truth world. One must adapt to the operating environment to increases chances of success.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

#34

Post by chrinic4948 »

shmatt wrote: post #26
woeirua wrote: post #12

If the Feds clamp down on this, but not on FSD, then we'll know for sure that we have meme regulators. One of these is marginally worse than having access to a modern smartphone. The other literally drives the car, and has proven repeatedly that it is incapable of performing anywhere near the level required to avoid accidents in the real-world.

> incapable of performing anywhere near the level required to avoid accidents in the real-world. Humans, as well. 38,000 dead and 4,400,000 injured every year in the US due to car accidents. It would be cool to decide on a framework where FSD is tested/approved to be not perfect but better than the average human

> Humans, as well. 38,000 dead and 4,400,000 injured every year in the US due to car accidents.

Found the Tesla fanboy.

Your numbers include drivers aged 15-25, the most dangerous driving group.

Yet, Elon compares the Tesla autopilot driving demographic (age 24-35) to the teenager-biased number. It makes Tesla look good.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

#35

Post by Retric »

dragontamer wrote: post #31
toomuchtodo wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Solar roof was on a brewery in New England I recently patroned. You can buy it if you want to pay and wait for it. Battery swaps were to fully capture California ZEV credits until Tesla could grow large enough to not rely on them. The market for Teslas has flourished without them, relying only on Fast DC chargers for consumer range anxiety. Personal assistant robot is a cheap marketing effort to drive recruiting of t…

> Laugh and point fingers. The methods work, regardless of the feelings about them. No. "Battery Swap" was a lie that was never delivered and frankly just stole money from California. We all know that __lying__ works. The last few years have made it abundantly clear that the general population is far more accepting of these lies than I'm comfortable for. So I'm going to keep pointing them out.

It was demonstrated, it’s just longer ranges plus fast charging made it irrelevant. The logistics issues of not owning a battery are also significant, you would either need to bake in a battery replacement charge to the service which is fine if replacing batteries where a regular thing, but batteries can last the lifetime of the vehicle.

And frankly the rest of the industry agrees battery swaps sound great but it was abandoned as unnecessary.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

#36

Post by ghaff »

shmatt wrote: post #26
woeirua wrote: post #12

If the Feds clamp down on this, but not on FSD, then we'll know for sure that we have meme regulators. One of these is marginally worse than having access to a modern smartphone. The other literally drives the car, and has proven repeatedly that it is incapable of performing anywhere near the level required to avoid accidents in the real-world.

> incapable of performing anywhere near the level required to avoid accidents in the real-world. Humans, as well. 38,000 dead and 4,400,000 injured every year in the US due to car accidents. It would be cool to decide on a framework where FSD is tested/approved to be not perfect but better than the average human

It doesn't need to be perfect but it needs to be a lot better than the "average" driver which includes intoxicated, fatigued, young, old, etc. drivers in all sorts of weather with many older vehicles with fewer safety systems and possible maintenance issues.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

#37

Post by lotu »

jsiepkes wrote: post #24
comandillos wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats why I specified I was in Europe... I think that here even the front camera is not providing any kind of video feed to the computers for "privacy reasons"

If the data from the camera is just used as a sensor (ie. to see if your staring at a phone) and then disable auto-pilot and no footage is stored I wouldn't see how that would be a privacy concern?

Europe tends to have stupid ideas about privacy. The simple transmission of video between the camera and the computer is considered a privacy violation by a lot of privacy hacks.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

#38

Post by benjamir »

shmatt wrote: post #26
woeirua wrote: post #12

If the Feds clamp down on this, but not on FSD, then we'll know for sure that we have meme regulators. One of these is marginally worse than having access to a modern smartphone. The other literally drives the car, and has proven repeatedly that it is incapable of performing anywhere near the level required to avoid accidents in the real-world.

> incapable of performing anywhere near the level required to avoid accidents in the real-world. Humans, as well. 38,000 dead and 4,400,000 injured every year in the US due to car accidents. It would be cool to decide on a framework where FSD is tested/approved to be not perfect but better than the average human

Or the US could introduce sane rules. Like right-hand drive and proper driver licenses.

Regards from Germany.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

#39

Post by tbabb »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #25
dragontamer wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And he ultimately delivers product, something most Musk-wannabes fail to do. Where's are the solar roof? Battery swaps? And "coast-to-coast full self driving", $35,000 Model 3? Do you think the personal assistant robot will ever be a delivered product? ------- Musk has mastered the ability to make the public forget about his promises. He doesn't deliver on these promises at all. I think we're generally wising up to…

Solar roof was on a brewery in New England I recently patroned. You can buy it if you want to pay and wait for it. Battery swaps were to fully capture California ZEV credits until Tesla could grow large enough to not rely on them. The market for Teslas has flourished without them, relying only on Fast DC chargers for consumer range anxiety. Personal assistant robot is a cheap marketing effort to drive recruiting of t…

What was the requirement that was satisfied by the battery swap?

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

#40

Post by throwaway413 »

Retric wrote: post #30
dragontamer wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And he ultimately delivers product, something most Musk-wannabes fail to do. Where's are the solar roof? Battery swaps? And "coast-to-coast full self driving", $35,000 Model 3? Do you think the personal assistant robot will ever be a delivered product? ------- Musk has mastered the ability to make the public forget about his promises. He doesn't deliver on these promises at all. I think we're generally wising up to…

The current base price of $39,490 is is 34,997$ in 2017 dollars when it was introduced. So not only where they selling at 35k for a while, in real terms they still are. https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

“In real terms” $39,490 today is $39,490 today.
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