on the other hand, while driving with a passenger my android auto wont let them interact with the system without a "safety pause" every 2 seconds, making it virtually impossible to, for example, change the music or update the navigation. i thought google was famous for hiring people with IQs above 100? or did a lawyer add this feature? or is it pure safetyism? sadly all 3 options seem credible
Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy
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#22This is a known tactic by Elon. He does something that is so incredibly outrageous knowing it will get denied but in doing so, it pushes your mental anchor so far out, that it allows him to "meet in the middle" to get something approved that would not have been approved otherwise if he hadn't anchored you so far out.
Classic populist modus operadi. Push the pendulum to one extreme and move the perceived middle ground along. He does the same with goal posts and timelines. I have to give it to him so, he gets away with it for years now. And he ultimately delivers product, something most Musk-wannabes fail to do.
That often results in the pendulum swinging in the other direction. Aka Trump would have had a much harder time after Bush than he did after Obama would have had a harder time after Clinton than he did after Bush etc.
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#23I'm quite happy as a passenger to play some games in tesla while on a road trip. Tesla's multi media center is a vision of phone-less experience in the car. I can see every day people swiping their phones, doing shopping while driving. In fact every 3rd 4th traffic light "sleeping" driver is due to the phone. How tesla games are that different from having a phone? Tesla at least doing some measures to prevent this. T…
My personal issue with this idea is that cars - presently, are driven by humans, and while we can look to the future, the present necessitates that we design by these standards. Cars are methods of transportation (and even though I'm a car enthusiast, who enjoys driving) they should be driver focused. The center screen in a Tesla is where _all_ the information is available for the driver. There are no secondary gauge…
they split the screen when you're driving.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tesla Model Y Driver. With FSD beta it will disable autopilot even if you stare too much on a screen. It also detects when you're on the phone. It's quite strict.
Thats why I specified I was in Europe... I think that here even the front camera is not providing any kind of video feed to the computers for "privacy reasons"
If the data from the camera is just used as a sensor (ie. to see if your staring at a phone) and then disable auto-pilot and no footage is stored I wouldn't see how that would be a privacy concern?
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Classic populist modus operadi. Push the pendulum to one extreme and move the perceived middle ground along. He does the same with goal posts and timelines. I have to give it to him so, he gets away with it for years now. And he ultimately delivers product, something most Musk-wannabes fail to do.
> And he ultimately delivers product, something most Musk-wannabes fail to do. Where's are the solar roof? Battery swaps? And "coast-to-coast full self driving", $35,000 Model 3? Do you think the personal assistant robot will ever be a delivered product? ------- Musk has mastered the ability to make the public forget about his promises. He doesn't deliver on these promises at all. I think we're generally wising up to…
Solar roof was on a brewery in New England I recently patroned. You can buy it if you want to pay and wait for it.
Battery swaps were to fully capture California ZEV credits until Tesla could grow large enough to not rely on them. The market for Teslas has flourished without them, relying only on Fast DC chargers for consumer range anxiety.
Personal assistant robot is a cheap marketing effort to drive recruiting of talent.
Laugh and point fingers. The methods work, regardless of the feelings about them.
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#26If the Feds clamp down on this, but not on FSD, then we'll know for sure that we have meme regulators. One of these is marginally worse than having access to a modern smartphone. The other literally drives the car, and has proven repeatedly that it is incapable of performing anywhere near the level required to avoid accidents in the real-world.
> incapable of performing anywhere near the level required to avoid accidents in the real-world.
Humans, as well. 38,000 dead and 4,400,000 injured every year in the US due to car accidents.
It would be cool to decide on a framework where FSD is tested/approved to be not perfect but better than the average human
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
My personal issue with this idea is that cars - presently, are driven by humans, and while we can look to the future, the present necessitates that we design by these standards. Cars are methods of transportation (and even though I'm a car enthusiast, who enjoys driving) they should be driver focused. The center screen in a Tesla is where _all_ the information is available for the driver. There are no secondary gauge…
they split the screen when you're driving.
It doesn't matter. It's a totally unnecessary distraction for the driver. And, yes, there are other non driving-related distractions--both their phone and things like music (which has existed in some form forever)--but that's not a reason to add another. The passenger can use whatever entertainment they want that doesn't distract the driver. This is an absolutely stupid idea.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Classic populist modus operadi. Push the pendulum to one extreme and move the perceived middle ground along. He does the same with goal posts and timelines. I have to give it to him so, he gets away with it for years now. And he ultimately delivers product, something most Musk-wannabes fail to do.
> And he ultimately delivers product, something most Musk-wannabes fail to do. Where's are the solar roof? Battery swaps? And "coast-to-coast full self driving", $35,000 Model 3? Do you think the personal assistant robot will ever be a delivered product? ------- Musk has mastered the ability to make the public forget about his promises. He doesn't deliver on these promises at all. I think we're generally wising up to…
Ah, don't get me wrong, I don't have a very high opinion of Elon. I think Tesla is over-valued as a simple car company and selling it as a tech company is borderline charlatan. And yes, he fails at a lot of, let's call them non-core, products. And usually misses timelines for core products. Anyone else trying this would be nailed to the wall, Elon pulls it off. That alone is quite a skill. With the effect that Tesla now is a viable car manufacturer, regardless of market cap.
Personally, I hate that approach to business. I don't even talk about the Solar City bail-out, his Tesla goes private tweet and all that. For some reason that really avoids me, it works...
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#29Surely if someone is killed (either the occupant or another driver or bystander) and the accident could be blamed on some kind of driver error or carelessness, or could have been avoided if the driver was more attentive. Then if the driver was playing a game there would be a good legal case that they were distracted by it and Tesla could be deemed at least party responsible by providing that game in the front of the…
Generally the plaintiff must be less than 50% at fault to recover any damages.
That percentage is decided by a jury, and any law firm taking up this sort of case is going to be a really good one.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Classic populist modus operadi. Push the pendulum to one extreme and move the perceived middle ground along. He does the same with goal posts and timelines. I have to give it to him so, he gets away with it for years now. And he ultimately delivers product, something most Musk-wannabes fail to do.
> And he ultimately delivers product, something most Musk-wannabes fail to do. Where's are the solar roof? Battery swaps? And "coast-to-coast full self driving", $35,000 Model 3? Do you think the personal assistant robot will ever be a delivered product? ------- Musk has mastered the ability to make the public forget about his promises. He doesn't deliver on these promises at all. I think we're generally wising up to…
The current base price of $39,490 is is 34,997$ in 2017 dollars when it was introduced. So not only where they selling at 35k for a while, in real terms they still are.