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Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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My car locks out the GPS if you are not in park. Never mind that the screen is right in the middle and the passenger can control it.

This irritated me so much I use a separate GPS.

I'll greatly prefer it if my car did not try to control my behavior. I'm quite capable of deciding for myself what to do.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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This is a known tactic by Elon. He does something that is so incredibly outrageous knowing it will get denied but in doing so, it pushes your mental anchor so far out, that it allows him to "meet in the middle" to get something approved that would not have been approved otherwise if he hadn't anchored you so far out.

There is absolutely nothing outrageous about this. There's nothing wrong with the passenger playing a game.

There are plenty of other distractions in the world, if you can't stop yourself from looking at a screen while driving, you shouldn't be driving in the first place. It's not the job of the car to stop you.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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If the Feds clamp down on this, but not on FSD, then we'll know for sure that we have meme regulators. One of these is marginally worse than having access to a modern smartphone. The other literally drives the car, and has proven repeatedly that it is incapable of performing anywhere near the level required to avoid accidents in the real-world.

> incapable of performing anywhere near the level required to avoid accidents in the real-world. Humans, as well. 38,000 dead and 4,400,000 injured every year in the US due to car accidents. It would be cool to decide on a framework where FSD is tested/approved to be not perfect but better than the average human

Tesla autopilot use nowhere near competitive with a human driver, no matter what they claim.

I'm bullish on self-driving in general, but Tesla's misrepresentation of their self-driving capability has always been just shy of "fraud".

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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This is a known tactic by Elon. He does something that is so incredibly outrageous knowing it will get denied but in doing so, it pushes your mental anchor so far out, that it allows him to "meet in the middle" to get something approved that would not have been approved otherwise if he hadn't anchored you so far out.

Classic populist modus operadi. Push the pendulum to one extreme and move the perceived middle ground along. He does the same with goal posts and timelines. I have to give it to him so, he gets away with it for years now. And he ultimately delivers product, something most Musk-wannabes fail to do.

I mean, it works, kind of scary when you modify the firmware of society and society actually goes along with your fake ideology when you personally believe something less extreme, but its nice when you can just leave.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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> incapable of performing anywhere near the level required to avoid accidents in the real-world. Humans, as well. 38,000 dead and 4,400,000 injured every year in the US due to car accidents. It would be cool to decide on a framework where FSD is tested/approved to be not perfect but better than the average human

It doesn't need to be perfect but it needs to be a lot better than the "average" driver which includes intoxicated, fatigued, young, old, etc. drivers in all sorts of weather with many older vehicles with fewer safety systems and possible maintenance issues.

While I agree with you, it brings the moral/legal dilemma about who is responsible when FSD kills someone.

I'd love to see all cars being on FSD and communicating with each other around, dropping deaths (and even minor accidents) to virtually zero though.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

#46
You know what would be cool? If you could use driving mechanisms as the game controller, like those arcade racing machines but in a real car. Imagine playing Forza or Mario Kart in your Tesla. Given that it’s all electric, this should be doable, right?

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

#47

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> Laugh and point fingers. The methods work, regardless of the feelings about them. No. "Battery Swap" was a lie that was never delivered and frankly just stole money from California. We all know that __lying__ works. The last few years have made it abundantly clear that the general population is far more accepting of these lies than I'm comfortable for. So I'm going to keep pointing them out.

I will accept some lies for desperately needed progress. And, as you mention, lying works. Where would we be without Tesla succeeding? Definitely not where we are today. Legacy automakers are still making half hearted efforts at electrifying transportation while Tesla increases production 100% YoY. Legacy auto would’ve made no effort without Tesla coming at them hard, versus the little bit of effort they show today.…

> Where would we be without Tesla succeeding?

Hydrogen Fuel Cells and probably more widespread PHEVs.

Which would have been a superior future than where we are today.

10-million cars with 200lbs of Li-ion batteries each would save more energy from our transportation network than 2-million cars with 1000lbs of Li-ion batteries each.

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At this point. Elon is incredibly anti-progress. He's switched into fighting against alternatives and is diminishing progress on legitimate strategies (both H2 and PHEVs) because he wants to hold onto his market advantage.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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If the data from the camera is just used as a sensor (ie. to see if your staring at a phone) and then disable auto-pilot and no footage is stored I wouldn't see how that would be a privacy concern?

Europe tends to have stupid ideas about privacy. The simple transmission of video between the camera and the computer is considered a privacy violation by a lot of privacy hacks.

If that's really the case Europe should revisit their privacy rules immediately (preferably by more technically capable/visionary entities).

Claiming that on-device processing of driver's video feed without uploading/storing, for safety reasons, is a threat to privacy is outrageously unacceptable.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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If the Feds clamp down on this, but not on FSD, then we'll know for sure that we have meme regulators. One of these is marginally worse than having access to a modern smartphone. The other literally drives the car, and has proven repeatedly that it is incapable of performing anywhere near the level required to avoid accidents in the real-world.

> incapable of performing anywhere near the level required to avoid accidents in the real-world. Humans, as well. 38,000 dead and 4,400,000 injured every year in the US due to car accidents. It would be cool to decide on a framework where FSD is tested/approved to be not perfect but better than the average human

> It would be cool to decide on a framework where FSD is tested/approved to be not perfect but better than the average human

Just watch the YouTube videos from beta drivers (which are cherrypicked to be most flattering to Tesla). The number of disengagements in 20 minutes of continuous driving is disheartening.

Re: Tesla Update Allows Video Games While Driving, and the Feds Aren’t Happy

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Solar roof was on a brewery in New England I recently patroned. You can buy it if you want to pay and wait for it. Battery swaps were to fully capture California ZEV credits until Tesla could grow large enough to not rely on them. The market for Teslas has flourished without them, relying only on Fast DC chargers for consumer range anxiety. Personal assistant robot is a cheap marketing effort to drive recruiting of t…

What was the requirement that was satisfied by the battery swap?

California wrote an idiotic tax credit that gave +tax credits to vehicles that demonstrated a capacity to charge in under X minutes. Elon Musk shows off a battery swap demo on stage to "prove" it, and then grabbed the tax credit.

Then he threw away the battery swap demo and never talked about it again.

Its a combination of idiotic governance + a conman / liar at work. The government tax credit is a decent idea to spur innovation, but only if the government actually rewards money correctly. If it gives out money too freely, then the companies will just eat the government's face... they'll take the money but never actually develop the technology.

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