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Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by bell-cot »

ohmanjjj wrote: post #11
bell-cot wrote: post #4

So...local politicians, in a market where Apple was making money hand-over-fist, were feeling kinda used. By a huge foreign corporation. And the they started getting sticky on all sorts of regulatory things that Apple needed. Until Apple's CEO promised to do a bunch of "local investing" in their country. How different is this from the 1980's in the U.S., when Japanese auto makers decided that they needed to start bui…

Apple paid protection money. Pretty simple, no need to sugar coat it

That I am aware of, "protection money" clearly implies that the payments are to a criminal organization - which is separate from, and unauthorized by, the established state. The MacRumors story seems very clear that Apple and Mr. Cook's deal was with the Chinese government, and the ruling Chinese Communist Party.

Do you have information to the contrary? Or is your point merely to voice anger at China, the CCP, Apple, and/or Mr. Cook?

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by titzer »

makeitdouble wrote: post #3
moogly wrote: post #2

At what point does something like this become a national security issue? I know these modern titans of industry answer to no one, but perhaps they should?

I find it interesting you see Apple a national asset needing special scrutiny. It might as well be true, but then you should also expect other countries to start dealing with Apple as a part of the US gov. and not a purely private party.

> a national asset

Or a threat. An entity with a trillion dollars in reserves and devices in billions of people's hands, including hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of government employees. That's a lot of leverage.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by polack »

gonehome wrote: post #14

Apple’s approach to China remains the most disappointing (and hypocritical) thing about the company. When privacy really matters for the users that need it most, Apple sells them out for continued access to the Chinese market. https://stratechery.com/2021/the-information-on-apple-in-chi...

Just like Google that bent over backwards to please the Chinese censorship and their persecution. Then when Google failed in China (domestic competitors was better) they tried to exit "gracefully" by claiming it's due the Chinese hacking them and pretending it's about ethics...

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by einpoklum »

Well, I happen to know that Apple management signed many deals with the US, which is just as problematic of a world state as China, if not more so.

That is to say - unless you have a planet-wide blind spot, this title evokes the same emotional response as, say, "JD.com signed RMB 275B deal with US corporations in 2016".

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by echelon »

gonehome wrote: post #14

Apple’s approach to China remains the most disappointing (and hypocritical) thing about the company. When privacy really matters for the users that need it most, Apple sells them out for continued access to the Chinese market. https://stratechery.com/2021/the-information-on-apple-in-chi...

A Reddit comment [1] on this same article really hit home,

> Mr. Cook has watched China's middle class grow to four hundred million while watching the domestic middle class shrink. Like GM, which sells more cars in China than the USA, Apple knows where the market opportunities reside.

America needs growth again, whether that's immigration, childbirth and childcare subsidies, or seeking to merge with other democratic nations (Australia, Korea, Japan, Taiwan).

America needs to onshore manufacturing of critical chemicals and components. Steel. Electronics.

America needs education that is equitable, but it also needs to let academically or extracurricularly gifted students advance to special placement.

I want America to be #1. Free speech, being critical of government, and even having the ability to run for president are rights that every person should have.

edit: [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/rb2774/comment/...

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by poutine »

einpoklum wrote: post #34

Well, I happen to know that Apple management signed many deals with the US, which is just as problematic of a world state as China, if not more so. That is to say - unless you have a planet-wide blind spot, this title evokes the same emotional response as, say, "JD.com signed RMB 275B deal with US corporations in 2016".

There is no moral equivalency between the US and China. Stop this right away.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by mhoad »

inasio wrote: post #25

Disregarding the human rights/politics background, this sounds like standard operating procedure for Apple: Do whatever it takes to have unimpeded access to the best tools/tech needed for their mission

Except no, you shouldn’t just disregard the human rights / politics in search of “the best tools” which happens to be low waged workers who were famously killings themselves at work in such large numbers that their solution was to install nets so that they wouldn’t die when jumping out the windows anymore,

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by mempko »

echelon wrote: post #35
gonehome wrote: post #14

Apple’s approach to China remains the most disappointing (and hypocritical) thing about the company. When privacy really matters for the users that need it most, Apple sells them out for continued access to the Chinese market. https://stratechery.com/2021/the-information-on-apple-in-chi...

A Reddit comment [1] on this same article really hit home, > Mr. Cook has watched China's middle class grow to four hundred million while watching the domestic middle class shrink. Like GM, which sells more cars in China than the USA, Apple knows where the market opportunities reside. America needs growth again, whether that's immigration, childbirth and childcare subsidies, or seeking to merge with other democratic…

China simply invested more in their people than USA it seems. You now see American business people like Elon Musk promote divestment from the USA in his attack on government deficits.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by zpeti »

echelon wrote: post #35
gonehome wrote: post #14

Apple’s approach to China remains the most disappointing (and hypocritical) thing about the company. When privacy really matters for the users that need it most, Apple sells them out for continued access to the Chinese market. https://stratechery.com/2021/the-information-on-apple-in-chi...

A Reddit comment [1] on this same article really hit home, > Mr. Cook has watched China's middle class grow to four hundred million while watching the domestic middle class shrink. Like GM, which sells more cars in China than the USA, Apple knows where the market opportunities reside. America needs growth again, whether that's immigration, childbirth and childcare subsidies, or seeking to merge with other democratic…

Which subreddit is that from? Seems like rare comment content for Reddit.

Re: Apple CEO Tim Cook 'secretly' signed $275B deal with China in 2016

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Post by hypertele-Xii »

echelon wrote: post #35
gonehome wrote: post #14

Apple’s approach to China remains the most disappointing (and hypocritical) thing about the company. When privacy really matters for the users that need it most, Apple sells them out for continued access to the Chinese market. https://stratechery.com/2021/the-information-on-apple-in-chi...

A Reddit comment [1] on this same article really hit home, > Mr. Cook has watched China's middle class grow to four hundred million while watching the domestic middle class shrink. Like GM, which sells more cars in China than the USA, Apple knows where the market opportunities reside. America needs growth again, whether that's immigration, childbirth and childcare subsidies, or seeking to merge with other democratic…

> Free speech, being critical of government, and even having the ability to run for president are rights that every person should have.

Every person? Including convicted criminals?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_disenfranchisement_in_t...

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