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Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Update: 3 hours after posting and being on the hacker news front page: Automated email out of the blue: "We’re pleased to let you know that we’ve recently reviewed your YouTube account, and after taking another look, we can confirm that it is not in violation of our Terms of Service. We have lifted the suspension of your account, and it is once again active and operational." Thanks hacker news for voting this up and…

To be fair, it's also early Monday morning, when you were suspended over the weekend. Lifting the suspension could just as easily have happened because they now have enough people to actually do a human review.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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It’s funny how Google’s automated system will flag a small video like yours but I see tons of crypto scams on SpaceX imposter live feeds with thousands of viewers

This makes sense in a weird way. The spammers have full time jobs figuring out Google's algorithm and how to manipulate it. Regular content creators don't, so they tend to get clobbered by the algorithm. As Google continues to tighten the algorithm to fight spam, eventually the only users who will be able to post are the spammers.

I wonder if Google should be using signals outside of YouTube to help their ML detection efforts. This example seems like a good one…if an account has a paid YouTube Music account that’s been in good standing for months/years, that seems like it should be taken into account. How many spammers would be willing to nurse an account through months/years of paid service only to have it pay off in a brief attempt at scamming people? If you added in listening data, you’d get an even clearer signal that the account is at least attempting to stay within the rules.

It feels like Google has it backwards…they’re siloing the fraud detection and banning across different products. If they switched that and did fraud detection across product boundaries and more targeted bans, we’d see far fewer of these AI-run-amok pleas to publicly shame them into getting a human to look into an obvious mistake.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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post #269

Update: 3 hours after posting and being on the hacker news front page: Automated email out of the blue: "We’re pleased to let you know that we’ve recently reviewed your YouTube account, and after taking another look, we can confirm that it is not in violation of our Terms of Service. We have lifted the suspension of your account, and it is once again active and operational." Thanks hacker news for voting this up and…

It’s funny how Google’s automated system will flag a small video like yours but I see tons of crypto scams on SpaceX imposter live feeds with thousands of viewers

Exactly. In my specific case, there is so much fake news related to the Philippines because of the upcoming May 2022 presidential elections. The son of the dictator Ferdinand Marcos is running for the position and is heavily propped up by a fake news machinery, most likely self-funded by their ill-gotten wealth.

Big tech is ruining democracies simply by having so much power yet not having a proper method of flagging targeted misinformation.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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At least there's Google takeout where you can download a data dump of everything they've stored for you, so probably a good idea to do that for your precious photo memories.

Yes, I am thinking in doing that, at least every X months or something like that. Thanks.

I download a new Takeout every six months. One thing to be aware of if you plan on storing these long-term is that their archives are not very efficient. In particular, there is no incremental backup option—each Takeout is a full copy, and there are often many duplicate files even within one download. I take two post-processing steps with each download which significantly reduce the storage space required: (1) I convert the Google Mail data from mbox format to maildir (with mb2md[0]), so that each email is a separate file which can be deduplicated, and (2) I append the new takeout data to a SquashFS[1] filesystem with xz compression. This automatically deduplicates identical files, both within the new archive and against previous archives. The end result is that I now have three ~50 GiB Takeouts stored in a single ~25 GiB SquashFS filesystem image.

My (Linux-based) process also involves ratarmount, bindfs, and fuse-overlayfs. These tools are not strictly necessary but they do reduce the amount of temporary space required, since there is no need to unpack the .tgz files. Access to the resulting filesystem image is through either squashfuse or for better performance (but requiring root) a native loopback mount.

[0] http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/mb2md/

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SquashFS

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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That saying is meant for commercialized products obviously. But it's still kind of true if you stretch it to FOSS software, the allegory would be that you pay for it with your time (by fixing/bringing attention to bugs) rather than directly profiting the devs.

I pay for my mobile phone service. They still sell my location data. I pay for my TV. It still spies on me. And so on... You are always the product, paying customer or not.

A better phrasing would be "you don't get what you don't pay for". The mere fact that you've paid does not guarantee that you receive anything of comparable value in return.

When it comes to open source and other community-based projects, it's true that you shouldn't expect much in the way of personalized service or attention to your particular needs or issues if you're not paying for it. Fortunately, just making a copy of some software (even really good software) doesn't cost much at all, so it's not unreasonable that you're getting that much for free. Improving the software requires an investment from someone, though, one way or another.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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That's not true, Google has "Google One", where you pay for stuff like Google Drive, and get access to support via chat and phone.

Ah OK, that subscription covers all Google services or just a chunk of them?

IIRC Google One support can help with everything Google related, and you get it as a part of some subscriptions like Google Drive.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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None of Google's shared plans work cross-country - YouTube, Google Play, Stadia, Google One. All of them error, sometimes cryptically ( e.g. "Can't access payment methods"). It should be clearer what the issue is, with clear, concise error messages, but IMHO it's not a bug per se . Different country legislations, copyright, tax codes, prices, etc. etc. make that a complex matter and i see how they wouldn't want to de…

Sorry if that was not clear, my wife and I live on the same address in the same country. Her billing address is same as mine. I checked the net and Google product forums for possible solutions, checked the billing address, Play store settings, nothing helped.

Ah. In the Play store there's a main country which can be changed once a year[1], then there are payment methods ( you can't share Stadia, for instance, with anyone who has any payment method in a different country). The billing address changes nothing in this regard.

1 https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/7431675?hl=en&c...

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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I don't believe "This is true for all the big platforms." I saw lots of stories here about Google, but I don't remember see one about how Microsoft blocks user account. Did I miss? Anyway. Couple years ago, I received several email notifications from Microsoft about someone tried to reset my account password. I got a little bit concerned and eventually sent a feedback to Microsoft asking what I need to do. Surprise!…

Hotmail has plenty of stories. Paid email has many great providers like fastmail.. Microsoft doesn't offer a video platform so it doesn't really apply.

Really? I searched Hotmail here and couldn't find story like this (banning users).

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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At YouTube (or Facebook, or Twitter) scale, correctly assessing let alone addressing abusive content is a near-intractable problem . One might argue, and I think there's a strong case to do so, that if you can't do a thing viably at scale, then perhaps you should not do it. At the same time, an acknowledgement of the scope of the problem by those criticising practices ... would be a breath of fresh air. (I'm a long-s…

What are you trying to accomplish with this comment? The intractability of the overall problem is a topic of interest, sure. But this thread is pointing out how poor Google’s current implementation/attempt to solve that problem seems to be. The parent comment adds to the dialog by pointing out that while innocent content is getting removed, truly harmful content still exists and is rampant. Is it piling on? Maybe. Bu…

Before you read the rest of this comment: how many channels do you expect that YouTube removes in year, or a day, or an hour?

My goal is to try to inject some awareness or concept of scale and accuracy being demanded. You've had the opportunity to do so, you've neglected that option, instead doubling down on the emotive argument. The data happen to be readily available online for anyone bothering to look.

The problem with both the original comment and your reply here is the denominator is ignored:

- How many accounts exist?

- How many are removed?

- How many of those removals are appealed?

I happened to look up the numbers for Facebook a few days ago when similar complaints were lodged against them. And again: I believe in large part that the power and influence of these platforms requires an extraordinary level of care.

That said, Facebook blocked 99.8% of fake accounts preemptively before they were flagged by user, in 2021Q3. For a total of 1.8 billion accounts removed. Whatever experience ordinary users of the system had of fake accounts was after that removal of 1.8 billion accounts, nearly 8 billion per year.

https://transparency.fb.com/data/community-standards-enforce...

I'm looking up Google's own transparency report based on your comment. The YouTube Community Standards report is here:

https://transparencyreport.google.com/youtube-policy/removal...

The headline number is that in 2021Q3, YouTube removed 2.4 million channels. That's an annualised rate of nearly 20 million, and the quarterly removal rate roughly doubled from the 2020Q4 & 2021Q1 rate begining in 2021Q2. The cadence is 55,000 channels per day, or about 2,300 per hour.

For comparison, manual reviewers at maximum capacity can moderation about 700--800 items in a day, leaving roughly 30 seconds per item, based on the New York Times comment moderation desk.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/09/20/insider/approv...

I've discussed content moderation in terms to total personal media capacity a few years ago here:

https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/53qbx3/estimat...

https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/7qya12/informa...

Note that we're taking both FB and YT accounts at face value, that the removals were legitimate. Facebook offers information on appeals, Google (so far as I can tell) does not. But at a first approximation the removals seem to be mostly valid.

A huge problem is that a small fraction of a very large number ... is still a large number. A 1% misclassification rate of 20 million channels is 200,000 channels/year. A 99.99% accurate classification is still 2,000 channels year. For Facebook, with 5 billion removals/year, a 99.99% accurate rate is 500,000 erroniously banned profiles.

And the risk profiles are asymmetric. For the platform. 99.99% success is ... well, pretty good. But for each individual who's erroneously classified, the consequences range from a major annoyance to catastrophic.

And lest you think I'm making the case that this is "good enough" or "acceptable losses", I'm not. I think it would be fairly straightforward to make a strong argument for the heavy regulation or break-up of these services strictly on this basis. They have too much control and influence, both at the macro and micro scales, and even near-perfect operations, management, and policies are not nearly good enough.

You might also want to think about your own actions, and those of formal and informal institutions in which you believe and/or rely, and consider what their own failure rates in judgement and adjudication are. How many false arrests, or evictions, or debt collections, or sentencings, or executions are you willing to live with, transacted in the name of society?

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Which might not be a scam. I'm not saying it's not a scam either. But it's something where it's really not clear if it's a scam or not. Because minting money is a pretty normal thing in finance, especially if you want to avoid deflation. And for any normal currency deflation is one of, maybe the worst thing which can happen to it. Which puts a strange view on crypto currencies as many of them are fundamental deflatio…

> Because minting money is a pretty normal thing in finance, especially if you want to avoid deflation. Tether is “minting” USDT, a token pegged to 1 USD - out of thin air. That’s not the same thing as printing currency.

Minting USDT currency to prevent deflation and keeping the currencies value around the value of 1 USD(1) is pretty much the same as printing USD to prevent deflation and keeping USD at the same value as some other currency/security, e.g. the Euro or Gold. The only difference is that most currencies place themself in relation to the USD, but anyway conceptually pretty much the same.

Because in the end weather it's USDT, USD or even Gold their value is purely a construct of people (roughly) agreeing that it has that given value (in general in ratio to some other thing which has "value by agreement"). Gold might have some intrinsic value but it's fundamentally so much smaller then the gold price that it doesn't matter.

(1): Assuming they did it for that reason, my argument was intentionally detached from Tether.

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