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Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by dredmorbius » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 5:38 PM UTC

mcast wrote: post #269

thijser wrote: post #258

Update: 3 hours after posting and being on the hacker news front page: Automated email out of the blue: "We’re pleased to let you know that we’ve recently reviewed your YouTube account, and after taking another look, we can confirm that it is not in violation of our Terms of Service. We have lifted the suspension of your account, and it is once again active and operational." Thanks hacker news for voting this up and…

It’s funny how Google’s automated system will flag a small video like yours but I see tons of crypto scams on SpaceX imposter live feeds with thousands of viewers

At YouTube (or Facebook, or Twitter) scale, correctly assessing let alone addressing abusive content is a near-intractable problem.

One might argue, and I think there's a strong case to do so, that if you can't do a thing viably at scale, then perhaps you should not do it.

At the same time, an acknowledgement of the scope of the problem by those criticising practices ... would be a breath of fresh air.

(I'm a long-standing critic of most of the information monopolists, and have to the greatest extent possible avoided getting sucked into their respective maws.)

Shallow dismissals really don't advance conversation or understanding. Please do better.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by rvnx » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 5:38 PM UTC

malfist wrote: post #318

rvnx wrote: post #311

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Oh, it's my life with Amazon. My Amazon Affiliate account got suspended for "impersonating a popular Android application", turns out I'm the developer and publisher of this application. Now all my applications are now automatically suspended of the Amazon program. Nice!

So you're telling us you have a bad case of....imposter syndrome?

My time spent on Among Us is finally going to pay out!

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by dredmorbius » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 5:40 PM UTC

sombremesa wrote: post #306

throw10920 wrote: post #295

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> But what I never see is any of those Googlers taking the time to explain why they feel these seemingly-broken approaches are the only ways to solve the problem of moderation at scale. From my experience with a very large bureaucracy, I believe the answer to this is "the worker bees don't believe this; the requirement to implement automated moderation [in this way] is imposed by managers and/or executives" - and spe…

Yup. Here’s a good video for what goes on behind the scenes at Amazon’s gaming org for example. https://youtu.be/aggk93Nazuk I can verify this is true since I used to work there.

That's apparently based on a Bloomberg article for those who'd prefer not sitting through a 40-minute re-reading of it:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-01-29/amazon-ga...

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by dredmorbius » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 5:42 PM UTC

dncornholio wrote: post #62

cube00 wrote: post #50

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This isn't foolproof. Account bans can fan out and ban known shadow accounts you also operate as well, perhaps if you have different mobile phone numbers on each that might give you a bit more of a fighting chance.

It's not foolproof, that's why I consider all those accounts expendable. I don't use them for anything important and I keep them spread. No phone numbers linked to any of the accounts. I'm sure Google can see a link between them, but I'm not too worried about that.

AFAIU, all current Google property account registration workflows now require a phone number.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by duxup » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 5:44 PM UTC

LegitShady wrote: post #329

duxup wrote: post #324

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Not sure about “protection” … and the other benefits like reducing “brain fog” improved cognition, improved sleep, and the list of bs goes on… whenever you see 5G protection it’s always a rabbit hole.

well the other 'benefits' obviously not but 100% the hat will protect you from 5g :)

I think the word “protection” implies there’s some reason to be protected.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by jandrese » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 5:46 PM UTC

mcast wrote: post #269

thijser wrote: post #258

Update: 3 hours after posting and being on the hacker news front page: Automated email out of the blue: "We’re pleased to let you know that we’ve recently reviewed your YouTube account, and after taking another look, we can confirm that it is not in violation of our Terms of Service. We have lifted the suspension of your account, and it is once again active and operational." Thanks hacker news for voting this up and…

It’s funny how Google’s automated system will flag a small video like yours but I see tons of crypto scams on SpaceX imposter live feeds with thousands of viewers

This makes sense in a weird way.

The spammers have full time jobs figuring out Google's algorithm and how to manipulate it. Regular content creators don't, so they tend to get clobbered by the algorithm.

As Google continues to tighten the algorithm to fight spam, eventually the only users who will be able to post are the spammers.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by KMag » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 5:47 PM UTC

maxwellb wrote: post #314

gwerbret wrote: post #283

Presumably, many Googlers who are directly involved in designing and implementing content moderation are active readers of Hacker News, as is evidenced by the fact that having a story hit the front page is an effective way to solve problems like these. But what I never see is any of those Googlers taking the time to explain why they feel these seemingly-broken approaches are the only ways to solve the problem of mode…

> If it's not against your company's NDAs This ^ is nontrivial (maybe impossible) to determine without consulting an attorney.

Technically, you'll need to go to court to get a canonical answer. Without a court ruling, it's just expert opinions.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by parasense » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 5:48 PM UTC

Iolaum wrote: post #301

mcast wrote: post #269

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It’s funny how Google’s automated system will flag a small video like yours but I see tons of crypto scams on SpaceX imposter live feeds with thousands of viewers

Indeed. And what's worse they all appear to have the Space X channel name. They look legit the first time you see them unless you treat youtube the same way you do when reading an email, ie looking for phish. And what's worse is that those channels are recommended by the youtube algorithm!!!

Actually, what happens is a channel you were subscribed to, or one which you have consumed enough content from to influence the YT algorithm.... has been compromised, taken over, the password was discovered by crypto miners.

They take over the channel, change a bunch of settings, etc... then start spewing out the usual Space-X live stream crypto-mining pyramid-scam. Sometimes if you look at the channel hosting the live-stream, you can sometimes still see clues to the old channel you were subscribed. You have to audit through the videos and playlists, old comments, etc...

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by SilasX » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 5:48 PM UTC

thijser wrote: post #258

Update: 3 hours after posting and being on the hacker news front page: Automated email out of the blue: "We’re pleased to let you know that we’ve recently reviewed your YouTube account, and after taking another look, we can confirm that it is not in violation of our Terms of Service. We have lifted the suspension of your account, and it is once again active and operational." Thanks hacker news for voting this up and…

Really? How long was it between first complaint and resolution, and how does that compare to cases where the victim didn't get social media outrage on their site? (Honest question, I know this sucks and don't want to trivialize it, just not sure if this is proof of needing to appeal to social media.)

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by wombatpm » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 5:54 PM UTC

gwerbret wrote: post #283

Presumably, many Googlers who are directly involved in designing and implementing content moderation are active readers of Hacker News, as is evidenced by the fact that having a story hit the front page is an effective way to solve problems like these. But what I never see is any of those Googlers taking the time to explain why they feel these seemingly-broken approaches are the only ways to solve the problem of mode…

I understand the need for automation, and can imagine that the spammers, grifters and crooks would overwhelm any manual review system. I'm suprised that Google has not implemented pay for support. If the issue is really important, can I just pay $50 and speak to a real person? Just because manual processes don't scale, doesn't meam they shouldn't exist.