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Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by pdimitar »

acdha wrote: post #191
cft wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is their monopoly power over video distribution on the internet: disgruntled users have nowhere else to go. All alternatives are stifled by the monopoly.

People have tons of alternatives. The problem is that ad subsidies pay more than most viewers are willing to pay after generations of internet users have been conditioned to think of content as free.

Nobody has been "conditioned" to think anything. If they opted to make things free at the start of the internet era then it's now their problem to figure out how to pivot to actually paying their expenses and turn profit.

It's not the users' problem per se (unless they get aggressively pushed out but then they go to alternatives so that company still doesn't make profit out of them).

Elementary psychology -- one that's studied at 9th grade where I live -- could have told them that it's super hard giving people something for free and then taking it away. People don't react well to that and never have.

They only have themselves to blame.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by ldehaan »

gambiting wrote: post #151
ThalesX wrote: post #67

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I'm not sure why people are calling this satire. If you want to host a video, make it available through a URI, protect your ownership rights and then make sure it gets hosted for as long as possible, this is a way to do it.

I'm a professional programmer and like....I understand some of those words? If I had to guess, I'd say this is a joke, purely because of how nonsensical it sounds. Host it on what? Pair it with ETH? Like...the cryptocurrency? How does that work? How does that make money? Maybe I'm getting old. Scary world out there.

Well, then I guess you can be a professional at something and still be unaware of all the tools at your disposal. Also just because you don't know something as a "professional" doesn't mean anything :D it's more like, oh I don't know what that I'd, im gonna go read the docs. But instead, I've never heard of it, its dumb...

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by gfaster »

acdha wrote: post #191
cft wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is their monopoly power over video distribution on the internet: disgruntled users have nowhere else to go. All alternatives are stifled by the monopoly.

People have tons of alternatives. The problem is that ad subsidies pay more than most viewers are willing to pay after generations of internet users have been conditioned to think of content as free.

From what I understand what YouTube does is super super difficult to do at scale as well as they do, I do not envy their competitors. Given that, I don't believe ever hoping for an actual competitor to pop up is reasonable, instead we should start thinking about how we can ensure fairness, inclusivity, and democracy(?) on what exists.

I'm not sure what the best way to go about it is, but I know that advertiser and corporate pressure being the only thing that matters is not working (see: dislike count removal). I would not be surprised that if YouTube continues to be unable to regulate itself we'll see governments stepping in and regulating it for them.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by mst »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #104
giansegato wrote: post #79

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It could be remunerated. Like: pay 100$ to have a human look at your case. You can appeal (and pay) up to 3 times. This would partially solve the scalability problem + provide partial disincentives for scammers and spammers. I would happily pay 100$ to recover my lost Google account. Of course this would in turn create the bad incentive of having Google not create good models. Ideally the law would require to cap pri…

Why is it my problem that a fair moderation process must be cost-effective for Google, et. al.? Edit: Google's profit margins aren't my problem. If they want to be such a big, all-encompassing force in the "digital lives" of individuals they need to be held to account with fair policies for dealing with Customers. If that creates an untenable business for them they can either innovate in a manner that results in a fa…

If you legislate a non-cost-effective model you're making it substantially harder for possible future competitors.

If we're assuming that "youtube as a permanent monopoly" is inevitable then, sure, fair enough, but I think if you're making that assumption it's worth making it explicitly.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by LegitShady »

resonious wrote: post #124
dandare wrote: post #65

> I am a paid Youtube Music subscriber The saying goes that if you don't paid for it then you are the product. So I subscribed to YouTube Music family plan, thinking I won't be the product. But my wife's account will always return an error saying that she is in a different country or something. I tried to reach the support for help but never got any reply. In the end I cancelled the subscription. Google is simply too…

I've been thinking the same thing lately. When YouTube released "YouTube Red" and later YouTube Premium, there was kind of a glimmer of hope. Like finally, we can just pay and not "be the product" anymore! But then stuff like this happens. You get just as little support as when you were ad food. Definitely makes one want to try and find non-big-tech solutions to things.

it turns out they'll happily accept money from the product.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by ldehaan »

fnord77 wrote: post #184
pornel wrote: post #3

Why are you using legacy centralized web 2.0 platforms ruled by fiat money? Put your video on IPFS, give it an ens.domain, mint an NFT for it. With an eth filecoin bridge it will fund its own censorship-resistance forever. That tech is great and has obsoleted web 2.0. Don't trust Google, self-govern!

Why are you posting on a legacy centralized web 2.0 platform?

With "moderators", ie the stalin loving braintrust that is HN, but it's better than Facefuk and Twatter, for now, I said that about twatter though, and I quit that a while back.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by nradov »

willis936 wrote: post #32
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #26

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small claims court, obviously, require them to send someone somewhere to appear.

If the defendant doesn't show up that doesn't stop the hearing. A google lawyer likely costs more than the damages.

Large companies typically send paralegals to small claims courts. In those courts the defense counsel doesn't need to be a member of the bar.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by colinmhayes »

ziml77 wrote: post #112
EvanAnderson wrote: post #104

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Why is it my problem that a fair moderation process must be cost-effective for Google, et. al.? Edit: Google's profit margins aren't my problem. If they want to be such a big, all-encompassing force in the "digital lives" of individuals they need to be held to account with fair policies for dealing with Customers. If that creates an untenable business for them they can either innovate in a manner that results in a fa…

Because the process requires people and people cost money. And without attaching a cost to it, there would be far more requests for manual review coming in than any team Google hires could handle.

Google can easily afford to hire a hundred thousand moderators. No number of requests is too many.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by ipaddr »

jtbayly wrote: post #194
EvanAnderson wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it my problem that a fair moderation process must be cost-effective for Google, et. al.? Edit: Google's profit margins aren't my problem. If they want to be such a big, all-encompassing force in the "digital lives" of individuals they need to be held to account with fair policies for dealing with Customers. If that creates an untenable business for them they can either innovate in a manner that results in a fa…

Because otherwise in the worst case Youtube can't remain free, which is arguably a good thing.

How is a paid youtube a good thing? What do you win? Less tracking no..

If you want a paid video provider many exist.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by EvanAnderson »

jtbayly wrote: post #194
EvanAnderson wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it my problem that a fair moderation process must be cost-effective for Google, et. al.? Edit: Google's profit margins aren't my problem. If they want to be such a big, all-encompassing force in the "digital lives" of individuals they need to be held to account with fair policies for dealing with Customers. If that creates an untenable business for them they can either innovate in a manner that results in a fa…

Because otherwise in the worst case Youtube can't remain free, which is arguably a good thing.

I don't take it as a foregone conclusion that centralized free video hosting services are a good thing.
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