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YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by obiwan14 »

101008 wrote: post #53

I know losing a YouTube channel is horrible, especially after you dedicated so much time, effort and money - and for some people it may be a source of income as well. It is totally unfair. But my nightmare in here is that you lose access to your whole Google account and that would devastate me. Not only email access (and thus, access to every service I use because I have my Google account linked to it), but also Goog…

That's why I don't use Google and others like that for anything essential, like email or storage. My operating principle is computing has to be done locally, unless I can't help it. I use all these services for distribution, not for permanent access. Twitter suspended an account because their AI does not understand content, but I don't care.

I don't use Gmail, but do have a YouTube account. If that account is suspended this minute, I wouldn't even bother. I still have my videos and can recreate them somewhere else.

On a related note, let's see if HN will let this comment post, since this would be my 2nd in an hour.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by BoxOfRain »

jay7600 wrote: post #42

Why do you use YouTube? The html tag was invented 10+ years ago and works flawlessly with mp4.

I think persuading people to self-host is probably a lost cause, you're essentially asking people to pay to put their videos somewhere that nobody's going to see them. If we want to replace YouTube with something less obnoxious (a worthy goal IMO) we have to solve the problem of actually getting an audience for the people putting out the videos to begin with.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by cube00 »

throwaway82931 wrote: post #85
101008 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My main fear about that is not doing it properly and my email stop working as expected. For the nature of my job (press) I send a lot of emails to people who don-t know me, asking for interviews, etc. If my email starts to fall into spam folder, my job would be impossible. Gmail gives me that and I don't have to worry about if this person received the email or not.

Maybe 1) remove everything else from Google and 2) Start paying for your Gmail account, which will hopefully make it more likely that the appeals process actually works? Gmail's service is clearly something you depend on and that is worth paying for. It's hard to know what's best in terms of risk management here. The likelihood that you will be hit is small but the consequences are potentially devastating.

I agree the likelihood is small but when you're thinking along these lines[1] I think it's time to start making a move to give yourself some piece of mind.

[1] But my nightmare in here is that you lose access to your whole Google account and that would devastate me.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by EvanAnderson »

giansegato wrote: post #79
bambax wrote: post #41

The problem is not the content of the video, crypto or not. The problem is not that YT moderates aggressively (it doesn't do enough IMHO) or even how it moderates. The problem is that there is no serious appeals process, and no third party oversight of moderation decisions. This is true for all the big platforms. How do we fix that, IDK, but probably at the government level.

It could be remunerated. Like: pay 100$ to have a human look at your case. You can appeal (and pay) up to 3 times. This would partially solve the scalability problem + provide partial disincentives for scammers and spammers. I would happily pay 100$ to recover my lost Google account. Of course this would in turn create the bad incentive of having Google not create good models. Ideally the law would require to cap pri…

Why is it my problem that a fair moderation process must be cost-effective for Google, et. al.?

Edit: Google's profit margins aren't my problem. If they want to be such a big, all-encompassing force in the "digital lives" of individuals they need to be held to account with fair policies for dealing with Customers. If that creates an untenable business for them they can either innovate in a manner that results in a fair deal for users and lower expense to themselves or they can suck it up and take the hit on their margin.

I don't use Google's various services beyond search, personally, but it's clear that some regulation is needed. Non-technical individuals don't understand the ramifications of relying so heavily on a platform that can be pulled out from under them with no notice and no recourse. Heck, even technical people don't seem to grasp it.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by throwaway82931 »

giansegato wrote: post #79
bambax wrote: post #41

The problem is not the content of the video, crypto or not. The problem is not that YT moderates aggressively (it doesn't do enough IMHO) or even how it moderates. The problem is that there is no serious appeals process, and no third party oversight of moderation decisions. This is true for all the big platforms. How do we fix that, IDK, but probably at the government level.

It could be remunerated. Like: pay 100$ to have a human look at your case. You can appeal (and pay) up to 3 times. This would partially solve the scalability problem + provide partial disincentives for scammers and spammers. I would happily pay 100$ to recover my lost Google account. Of course this would in turn create the bad incentive of having Google not create good models. Ideally the law would require to cap pri…

That's one option. Another would be that you need to pay for your service on a monthly basis.

Some way that for a user to have faith in the appeals process and purchase peace of mind. Just knowing that a backstop is there would help a great deal.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by cube00 »

tombh wrote: post #14

Meanwhile the actual problem on the platform is hijacked accounts used to show those "live" streams of Buterin or Hoskinson claiming to double your crypto. So the problem isn't the account holders, nothing is solved by banning the original holders of the accounts :/

Turning off "ad personalization" is an eye opener. I was shocked Google allows such fraudulent advertising. Worst once I've seen so far is wide footage of Elon at a conference over dubbed with a voice telling me about this great share trading software he's invented that can double my money.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by cube00 »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #88
dncornholio wrote: post #44

This is why I have like to have many google accounts. One for personal mail, one for my own youtube channel, another for my 2nd channel with random uploads, another for gmail for the first youtube account and another account for gmail for the other youtube account, plus 2 more gmail accounts for spam or when I need to signup with an email for another expendable service, I use one of these. I don't do anything on my p…

I have 20+ gmail accounts, with separate ones for purchases, for communication with friends, for Android development, for check-once-when-you-need-it tasks (occasional 2fa from steam etc.), mailing lists, several spamboxes etc. I don't believe this is a setup for everyone, but it does help me a lot. I know they will try to force me to give my phone number to them one day, but I hope this will take several years still…

I suspect it'll be harder not to give out your number under 2FA that we're all going to get https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/11/google-wants-every-a...
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