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YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by mastazi »

throwaway82931 wrote: post #100
mastazi wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what works for me: I open a new personal account (using a fake name) every few months, when I open the new one I delete the old one. Obviously I don't use Google for anything important e.g. email. Basically, at any given time I'm using a throwaway account. It's like Docker for Google accounts. It's good because I could not care less about losing the account; another welcome side effect is that every few month…

OpSec is hard. I'm not going to risk that Google won't be able to connect the shadow accounts.

Sure but even if they connect the dots, basically nothing is at stake, at least in my case. The only reason I have an account is for small things like Youtube's "watch later" list.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by ziml77 »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #104
giansegato wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could be remunerated. Like: pay 100$ to have a human look at your case. You can appeal (and pay) up to 3 times. This would partially solve the scalability problem + provide partial disincentives for scammers and spammers. I would happily pay 100$ to recover my lost Google account. Of course this would in turn create the bad incentive of having Google not create good models. Ideally the law would require to cap pri…

Why is it my problem that a fair moderation process must be cost-effective for Google, et. al.? Edit: Google's profit margins aren't my problem. If they want to be such a big, all-encompassing force in the "digital lives" of individuals they need to be held to account with fair policies for dealing with Customers. If that creates an untenable business for them they can either innovate in a manner that results in a fa…

Because the process requires people and people cost money. And without attaching a cost to it, there would be far more requests for manual review coming in than any team Google hires could handle.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by [deleted] »

dncornholio wrote: post #44

This is why I have like to have many google accounts. One for personal mail, one for my own youtube channel, another for my 2nd channel with random uploads, another for gmail for the first youtube account and another account for gmail for the other youtube account, plus 2 more gmail accounts for spam or when I need to signup with an email for another expendable service, I use one of these. I don't do anything on my p…

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Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by JohnWhigham »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #104
giansegato wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could be remunerated. Like: pay 100$ to have a human look at your case. You can appeal (and pay) up to 3 times. This would partially solve the scalability problem + provide partial disincentives for scammers and spammers. I would happily pay 100$ to recover my lost Google account. Of course this would in turn create the bad incentive of having Google not create good models. Ideally the law would require to cap pri…

Why is it my problem that a fair moderation process must be cost-effective for Google, et. al.? Edit: Google's profit margins aren't my problem. If they want to be such a big, all-encompassing force in the "digital lives" of individuals they need to be held to account with fair policies for dealing with Customers. If that creates an untenable business for them they can either innovate in a manner that results in a fa…

Because they're a business, and that's how businesses are run?

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by JohnKacz »

giansegato wrote: post #79
bambax wrote: post #41

The problem is not the content of the video, crypto or not. The problem is not that YT moderates aggressively (it doesn't do enough IMHO) or even how it moderates. The problem is that there is no serious appeals process, and no third party oversight of moderation decisions. This is true for all the big platforms. How do we fix that, IDK, but probably at the government level.

It could be remunerated. Like: pay 100$ to have a human look at your case. You can appeal (and pay) up to 3 times. This would partially solve the scalability problem + provide partial disincentives for scammers and spammers. I would happily pay 100$ to recover my lost Google account. Of course this would in turn create the bad incentive of having Google not create good models. Ideally the law would require to cap pri…

I'd add if you win the appeal you get your money back. That solves a few more of the problems I think.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by querez »

dncornholio wrote: post #62
cube00 wrote: post #50

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This isn't foolproof. Account bans can fan out and ban known shadow accounts you also operate as well, perhaps if you have different mobile phone numbers on each that might give you a bit more of a fighting chance.

It's not foolproof, that's why I consider all those accounts expendable. I don't use them for anything important and I keep them spread. No phone numbers linked to any of the accounts. I'm sure Google can see a link between them, but I'm not too worried about that.

> No phone numbers linked to any of the accounts.

Whenever I tried to create a Google account, it would ask me for a phone number sooner or later. Is that just me, or is there a way to circumvent that?

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by adamdonahue »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #5
pornel wrote: post #3

Why are you using legacy centralized web 2.0 platforms ruled by fiat money? Put your video on IPFS, give it an ens.domain, mint an NFT for it. With an eth filecoin bridge it will fund its own censorship-resistance forever. That tech is great and has obsoleted web 2.0. Don't trust Google, self-govern!

I can't tell if this is satire.

There's an opportunity here. Put the video on both YouTube and a blockchain, make it easy to find on the latter via the YouTube URI, then when one discovers a non-working link you YouTube you can pivot to the blockchain-based backup. Once enough people know about this hack it then, with a browser plug-in, censorship be gone!

This is obviously off-the-cuff, undetailed thinking here, but an approach like this might make sense in the future.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by ziml77 »

bennyp101 wrote: post #98
101008 wrote: post #66

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My main fear about that is not doing it properly and my email stop working as expected. For the nature of my job (press) I send a lot of emails to people who don-t know me, asking for interviews, etc. If my email starts to fall into spam folder, my job would be impossible. Gmail gives me that and I don't have to worry about if this person received the email or not.

Something like Mail-in-a-box[1] is easy to setup, you can monitor the spam stuff yourself, comes with all the instructions you need to get the DNS side of setup correctly etc I've not had any issues with email not reaching people - and I'm not sure that other mailservers would put gmail any higher, especially as they are used for a lot of spam [1] https://mailinabox.email/

I prefer Mailcow. Mail-in-a-box requires the machine to be running a specific version of Ubuntu. Mailcow runs under Docker https://mailcow.email/

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by nathias »

pornel wrote: post #3

Why are you using legacy centralized web 2.0 platforms ruled by fiat money? Put your video on IPFS, give it an ens.domain, mint an NFT for it. With an eth filecoin bridge it will fund its own censorship-resistance forever. That tech is great and has obsoleted web 2.0. Don't trust Google, self-govern!

or just odysee

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by alpaca128 »

JohnKacz wrote: post #115
giansegato wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could be remunerated. Like: pay 100$ to have a human look at your case. You can appeal (and pay) up to 3 times. This would partially solve the scalability problem + provide partial disincentives for scammers and spammers. I would happily pay 100$ to recover my lost Google account. Of course this would in turn create the bad incentive of having Google not create good models. Ideally the law would require to cap pri…

I'd add if you win the appeal you get your money back. That solves a few more of the problems I think.

All that does is create a "get free $100" button for Google.
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