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SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by pibechorro »

OneTimePetes wrote: post #83
bryans wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some states did initially allow co-op markets where farmers got to sell directly to consumers, and only needed to test large batches to meet requirements. The prices were very low because there were no extra middlemen to get taxed, and because each farmer was its own vendor, you could buy very large quantities in one location -- and I think the concept eventually got shut down for that reason.

The middle-man feared to be cut out and replaced by new humbler middle-man and lobbied for safety regulations to kill the emerging competition?

Ding ding ding.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by donatj »

boibombeiro wrote: post #90
aww_dang wrote: post #46

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If people can sell pies, vegetables, dairy and sometimes cider at informal farmers markets, cannabis should be the same. Moldy cannabis is self-apparent in most cases. Toxic distilled alcohol isn't. Some claim you can use a flame test to detect poisonous liquor.

> Toxic distilled alcohol isn't. Do you realize this ideia of poison alcohol was propaganda done by the government during prohibition, right? We know how to distill from millenniums, and selling poisonous alcohol isn't a very sustainable business model... I remember reading an article about the success of this campaign (was one of the first of this kinda). I'm mobile, but I'm sure someone can find a post a link.

> Do you realize this ideia of poison alcohol was propaganda done by the government

Methanol poisoning is a VERY real thing. Methanol is easily accidentally produced when using a poorly calibrated still and not throwing out enough of the early product, particularly while processing alcohol made from corn where pectin helps create methanol. It’s very real and very dangerous.

The problem is ethanol (the good alcohol) laced with a small amount of methanol won’t immediately cause obvious health issues, they tend to creep up over time especially given continued consumption.

The government did however also purposely release horribly adulterated alcohol into the black market during prohibition and literally kill people, which is probably where your belief of it all being propaganda comes from.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanol_toxicity

- https://sciencing.com/test-alcohol-methanol-8714279.html

- https://slate.com/technology/2010/02/the-little-told-story-o...

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by GordonS »

mandmandam wrote: post #118
GordonS wrote: post #110

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Ketamine is a bit harder to come by than cannabis, and at a dose that anyone would actually feel, it's going to make the weed more expensive. That just doesn't make any sense.

It makes perfect sense if you're an organized gang stealing horse tranquilizer, and adding it to awful quality hash that's been mixed so much with garden waste that it barely works. It's not seen as much these days, but was literally a nationwide problem in Ireland for well over a decade.

FTR, ketamine is much more than a "horse tranquilizer" - it is used extensively in emergency rooms, for depression and neuropathic pain, and in general vetinary medicine. And of course, it has wide-scale use recreationaly.

I presume the "horse tranquilizer" moniker came about as some kind of anti-ketamine propaganda.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by darthrupert »

GordonS wrote: post #106
darthrupert wrote: post #43

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50% is worth the diminshed crime, and nobody should consume cannabis daily.

I'm a medical user. What do you know that my doctor doesn't?

You don't seriously think you represent the majority of cannabis users, right?

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by darthrupert »

mam4 wrote: post #63
darthrupert wrote: post #43

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50% is worth the diminshed crime, and nobody should consume cannabis daily.

Even if i agree to part 2 of your messagr, part 1 shows gow disconnected from people who dont have that much money

People who cannot afford recreational drugs should not be using recreational drugs. Medical use is a different thing of course.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by darthrupert »

mandmandam wrote: post #52
darthrupert wrote: post #43

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50% is worth the diminshed crime, and nobody should consume cannabis daily.

> nobody should consume cannabis daily. Only a sith etc.. You do know there are low THC strains available? And that there are people who self medicate with cannabis for scores of reasons? What exactly are you scared is going to happen to these people? An increased risk of bronchitis? Some people would consider that a great trade for reduction of chronic pain, nausea, or seizures.

I'm worried that people who use it daily will compound the negative effects (memory effects being the most signifi ant, especially for us knowledge workers) and develop dependence.

I actually approve of cannabis for recreational use, but in moderation.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by you-liquidated »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #119
swayvil wrote: post #91

Here in Illinois. Weed became legal at suspiciously the same time that opiates became... 1) more difficult to get due to changes in various regulations. 2) heavily propagandized against. This is obviously an attempt to shift a big revenue stream from the pharmacorps to a new pie. That new pie is divided between the state (licensing fees, taxes) and whoever can get permission to grow and sell (Governor Pritzker and hi…

Good because Opiates are a bit out of control and can be deadly.

All drugs should be legal, and sold at the grocery store or pharmacy.

If people want opiates, they should be able to easily have it.

Also, we have the technology to make most drugs as cheap as soda. There is no reason they should be expensive and out of reach of poor people.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by krageon »

darthrupert wrote: post #124
GordonS wrote: post #106

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I'm a medical user. What do you know that my doctor doesn't?

You don't seriously think you represent the majority of cannabis users, right?

While medical marijuana is weaker than most strains you'd expect to buy, medical users are more likely to be daily users with a regularity most recreational smokers will never hit. In that sense, this is a good example case.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by flashfaffe2 »

Thorentis wrote: post #73
junon wrote: post #68

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> nobody should consume cannabis daily Based on... what? Your opinion? Your parents? Your god? Because it's certainly not based on fact.

Not based on fact? Which facts are those? Certainly not these ones I'm guessing? https://www.uq.edu.au/news/article/2021/01/long-term-study-r... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...

Indeed surprisingly, cannabis can have bad effects on human. This has been taken I to account in a French case where murder of an old lady was declared not responsible due to its cannabis consumption.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56929040

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