Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store • Hacker News Board

Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

#71

Post by tehbeard » Sat, Dec 04, 2021, 9:14 AM UTC

spywaregorilla wrote: post #55

tehbeard wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I have no love for Apple or any of the other billion dollar techbro places, Sweeney was the one running the corp. (Epic Games) that deliberately violated a contract (let's leave the discussion of is 30% ethical/justifable for a app store on the table for the moment), and then used a pre-planned ad campaign to galvanise an under-18 fanbase to try and control the narrative, right?

Seems pretty unreasonable to forbid acknowledging the ethical motivations of an action in a debate.

Seems pretty unreasonable to say I forbid it, when I said to just table that discussion for now, rather than letting that debate derail the talking point I wanted to discuss/highlight.

There are no saints, and acting like Epic has the moral high ground because they fight for the little guy ( no, they fight for themselves) with what they did to do that is disingenuous at best.

Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

#72

Post by jagermo » Sat, Dec 04, 2021, 6:00 PM UTC

vaer-k wrote: post #26

fonix wrote: post #12

What is with people and not wanting to install EGS on their pcs? Is it just the hip thing to do, they've seen it plastered all over reddit so they've decided to jump on board? It's another game store... they have 1-2 free games every single week, and they're not junk games. Get the free games on the website and when you come around to installing it someday you'll have a huge library. There was backlash against Steam…

Because it's a terrible client with virtually no features, yet their business tactics strongarm players into using it. Nobody likes to be forced to use a certain product. EGS doesn't even offer a fraction of what Steam can do. Here's what I can come up with off the top of my head; I'm sure others can chime in with more. Steam has a robust marketplace, with user reviews and a slew of sorting and shopping cart features…

I mean, I remember back when people were outraged that they had to install steam. Relax and take the free stuff.

Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

#73

Post by scubbo » Sun, Dec 05, 2021, 7:37 PM UTC

revolvingocelot wrote: post #63

scubbo wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I respectfully disagree. I'd bet a large amount of money that an overwhelming amount of video-game purchases on Steam etc. are single-item purchases - that is, in the vast majority of cases, adding a cart doesn't help the user experience (and, without the presence of a one-click-add-and-checkout button, actually slightly harms it by adding another step in the purchase flow). So, for most users/use-cases, a cart is mu…

I don't see why. You haven't provided any reason for this other than your insistent assumptions about the needlessness of carts in digital purchases -- but all other digital games stores have them, as well as almost all other ecommerce platforms. If literally all your competition are doing something, and you're not, that's probably meaningful. >"The absence of a cart implies that EGS are not prioritizing making it ea…

I was using quotes to indicate a sentence that I was referring to[1] as an example of a particular position, not to attempt to indicate that you'd said those exact words. I apologize that that was unclear - and I'm particularly sensitive to being misquoted, so I also apologize for giving the impression that that was what I'd done.

That said, I still don't see the functional distinction between the example position I described, and your statement. Are you saying that there is an effective difference between those two, or simply calling out (correctly) that what I wrote was not a direct quotation of what you wrote? What is a situation that would be described by one but not by the other?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use%E2%80%93mention_distinctio...

Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

#74

Post by scubbo » Sun, Dec 05, 2021, 7:39 PM UTC

pseudalopex wrote: post #67

scubbo wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Not the person you're replying to) These are all reasonable complaints! I, personally, barely care about _any_ of them (in particular, I don't think I've ever read a review on Steam, I almost-never play multiplayer or modded games, and I would hate to stream my games), so, for me, Epic is exactly as fully-featured as Steam is - but these are reasonable reasons why other people might feel a gap. (EDIT: in particular,…

Can you imagine wanting to buy a game and its expansions together?

That's a great example, thanks! I don't think I've ever done so (usually I'm buying games late-enough that they're being sold as a single bundle), hence why I didn't think of it - but that totally makes sense, thank you!

Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

#75

Post by spywaregorilla » Thu, Dec 09, 2021, 8:23 AM UTC

tehbeard wrote: post #71

spywaregorilla wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems pretty unreasonable to forbid acknowledging the ethical motivations of an action in a debate.

Seems pretty unreasonable to say I forbid it, when I said to just table that discussion for now, rather than letting that debate derail the talking point I wanted to discuss/highlight. There are no saints, and acting like Epic has the moral high ground because they fight for the little guy ( no, they fight for themselves) with what they did to do that is disingenuous at best.

It's disingenuous to say epic is "acting" like it has the moral high ground by just handwaving away discussion of the fact that they do, in fact, have the moral high ground.