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Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

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Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

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Post by naikrovek »

tehbeard wrote: post #16
gameswithgo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you resisting installing steams first real competition which gives devs a bigger cut and regularly throws free games at you?

Because the competition is being done by throwing money at it... and not in the let's build a fantastic, quick and nice launcher with a world class user experience and amazing tools for developers... But in the same way VC funding artificially lowers the costs/prices to the consumer until they've captured a market and then bam, time to pump them for all they've got. I use it to just grab a game if it's free... and ev…

you should learn more about Tim Sweeney. he is all about store openness. read his rants about the windows 8 and windows 10 store(s) for example.

Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

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Post by naikrovek »

roblabla wrote: post #9
gameswithgo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you resisting installing steams first real competition which gives devs a bigger cut and regularly throws free games at you?

Because competing with steam through exclusive deals and free games is not competing, it's racing to the bottom. I don't see any actual improvements or innovations in the Epic Games Store, it looks like a pure money grab.

sure, paying for games that you get to keep is a money grab...

someone wanna explain this logic to me?

Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

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Post by naikrovek »

keyle wrote: post #7

Huhhh, I'm a huge epic games fan, I've used UE4 for years prior... but having to download another "steam" client for DRMs makes it a huge turn off. I don't need another launcher agent on my computer for your auto-update telemetry loving nonsense, for trying out a game I might not even like!

it's like gamers WANT a monopoly. I do not understand capital-G Gamers, man. they're a very silly lot.

Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

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Post by dcastonguay »

fonix wrote: post #12

What is with people and not wanting to install EGS on their pcs? Is it just the hip thing to do, they've seen it plastered all over reddit so they've decided to jump on board? It's another game store... they have 1-2 free games every single week, and they're not junk games. Get the free games on the website and when you come around to installing it someday you'll have a huge library. There was backlash against Steam…

For me it’s just because I don’t want another piece of software on my machine that adds essentially no value on its own running in the background that I also have to manage to ensure that it’s not running in the background when I don’t want it to.

I’m resistant (and I think this is the case with others as well) to the idea that games must exist inside of their creator’s special portal; it’s a level of abstraction that I wish did not exist. Every modern desktop OS has some way of directly installing applications and many of them also provide their own stores (Mac App Store, Windows Store, etc.). The only thing “game store competition” is doing is creating a “now you have [x] standards” problem where the pitch of “all your games are located in one place” ends up becoming “all your games are in a bunch of places which you’ll be able to access after you’ve installed several different applications”.

Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

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Post by kgwxd »

fonix wrote: post #12

What is with people and not wanting to install EGS on their pcs? Is it just the hip thing to do, they've seen it plastered all over reddit so they've decided to jump on board? It's another game store... they have 1-2 free games every single week, and they're not junk games. Get the free games on the website and when you come around to installing it someday you'll have a huge library. There was backlash against Steam…

Because it's Epic. They bought up my favorite game, ended Linux support for it, pulled it from Steam, turned it into another cosmetic money-grab, and continue to make it worse every update. The latest changes excited the community a bit but I'm positive they're part of a plan that the community is going to be absolutely furious about and then, to kick a dead horse, they'll add EAC, even though it's impossible to cheat.

Petty reasons? Yeah, but they haven't offered anything worth changing my mind over yet.

Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

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Post by vaer-k »

fonix wrote: post #12

What is with people and not wanting to install EGS on their pcs? Is it just the hip thing to do, they've seen it plastered all over reddit so they've decided to jump on board? It's another game store... they have 1-2 free games every single week, and they're not junk games. Get the free games on the website and when you come around to installing it someday you'll have a huge library. There was backlash against Steam…

Because it's a terrible client with virtually no features, yet their business tactics strongarm players into using it. Nobody likes to be forced to use a certain product. EGS doesn't even offer a fraction of what Steam can do. Here's what I can come up with off the top of my head; I'm sure others can chime in with more.

Steam has a robust marketplace, with user reviews and a slew of sorting and shopping cart features.

Steam has friends, chat, voice chat, and group chat.

Steam has built-in, turnkey stream broadcasting of games.

Steam allows friends to drop in and play a game cooperatively with you, even if they don't own the game too.

Steam has remote play with friends.

Steam has remote streaming to devices around your home, and big screen mode so you can plop on the couch and enjoy an optimized UI and a gamepad.

Steam has robust gamepad support and configuration.

Steam has industry-leading Linux support.

Steam has VR mode, with custom spaces, interfaces, and a market of useful tools and mods to enhance the experience.

Steam has a music player and a built-in web browser.

Steam lets you add non-steam games to your library for convenient access.

Steam has customizable user profiles and fun social features, like card trading.

Steam has experimental mods and features via Steam Labs.

Now, ask yourself, how does it feel when EGS coerces players into using their inferior storefront through strongarm business practices.

Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

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Post by baumandm »

Tomte wrote: post #14
Karsteski wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea it's a bit odd although I understand it. People want all their games in one place. That being said, as much as I love Valve, Steam and what they're doing for the gaming community, I definitely want more competition in the PC game market. Competition is ultimately beneficial for the consumer, after all :)

GOG's client can be connected to Steam and Epic accounts, so you have all games in one place.

But it only runs on Windows, unfortunately.

Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

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Post by reificator »

naikrovek wrote: post #22
roblabla wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because competing with steam through exclusive deals and free games is not competing, it's racing to the bottom. I don't see any actual improvements or innovations in the Epic Games Store, it looks like a pure money grab.

sure, paying for games that you get to keep is a money grab... someone wanna explain this logic to me?

Do you want to explain where "paying for games that you get to keep" entered this conversation?

The logic the GP was using was that exclusivity deals and "the first hit is free" tactics are not ultimately in the customer's interest.

Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

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Post by kgwxd »

gameswithgo wrote: post #8
cwkoss wrote: post #2

Is this game good? I've resisted installing Epic Store so far, but this looks pretty neat. Does it feel Zachtronics-y? If so, I'll probably pull the trigger.

Why are you resisting installing steams first real competition which gives devs a bigger cut and regularly throws free games at you?

All Steam-like clients are useless middlemen. More of them is not a good thing. Every desktop OS on the planet already has ways to install and manage programs, and they don't demand a cut.

Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

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Post by reificator »

naikrovek wrote: post #21
tehbeard wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the competition is being done by throwing money at it... and not in the let's build a fantastic, quick and nice launcher with a world class user experience and amazing tools for developers... But in the same way VC funding artificially lowers the costs/prices to the consumer until they've captured a market and then bam, time to pump them for all they've got. I use it to just grab a game if it's free... and ev…

you should learn more about Tim Sweeney. he is all about store openness. read his rants about the windows 8 and windows 10 store(s) for example.

Having not read them I would be shocked if they differed dramatically from the points Gabe Newell makes about those same stores. At the end of the day both companies are trying to avoid getting squeezed out by a platform-pack-in monopoly.
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