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U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by 3371 »

mrtnmcc wrote: post #223
3371 wrote: post #221

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No. >China is culturally an ancient agrarian society focused more on defending farmland is nonsense just like all the Chinese netizens who keep saying that "We Descendants of Yanhuang have 5000 years of history". Non-sense, PRC happened in 1949, and before that, it's a History of ethnicities from all over the land Conquer, Massacre, Annex and Integrate each other. EDIT: > China is not interested in controlling or imp…

"The estimated 1.4 billion Han Chinese people are mostly concentrated in the People's Republic of China (Mainland China), where they make up about 92% of the total population.[2] In the Republic of China (Taiwan), they make up about 97% of the population." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Chinese Is that incorrect?

That does not means the 3% just go "Yeah let's become Chinese".

And this is off-topic. The idea is simple: "China is culturally an ancient agrarian society focused more on defending farmland than conquering nation" does not stand. Conquering happens a lot on that land way before PRC is a thing.

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Post by mrjin »

russli1993 wrote: post #125

On Aug 2020, a US spy satellite moved close to a Chinese satellite, attempting to shadow it closely. It was caught by the Chinese and they maneuvered it to get away from the US satellite. This seems to constitute ill or malign intent. Why would you go and bother the property of another person? What is the intent behind this move? Trust goes both ways, and it takes effort from both parties to build trust. This kind of…

You want an enemy, you get an enemy, maybe enemies. For those warlords, no enemies not profits.

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Post by random314 »

1_player wrote: post #230
thrwaycnsznship wrote: post #138

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Your comment history is only comments defending the CCP.

So? It's good that we have a "representative" of the CCP on this website then. It can't only be a US/NATO-aligned echo chamber. There's people from all over the world here. And more than two sides. Unless you are convinced that NATO are the good guys and CCP are the bad guys so they must be silenced, but I'd tell you that's the propaganda doing the thinking for you.

TBF, there are no representatives of US/NATO on wechat.

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Post by m0llusk »

deanCommie wrote: post #210
rvense wrote: post #207

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There's absolutely nothing cool about the military. https://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

When I was a kid I absolutely thought the military was cool. My kids books had fighter jets, aircraft carriers, tanks, and soldiers. And that was all awesome and badass. Now I have a toddler, and I think it's appalling that kids books include this machinery amongst the same pages as firetrucks, ambulances, passenger jets, and cruise ships. It's completely fucked up how we normalize weapons of war and indoctrinate our…

It is not completely fucked. You can only reliably retain that which you can defend. Fighting demands discipline and extremes of performance. Martial arts and dance play similar roles for children for good reason.

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Post by rocknor »

sudosysgen wrote: post #188
plandis wrote: post #161

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> Whose culture is right? What is right in the eyes of the law? Perhaps I’m the only one who feels this way based on the number of pro-China posts, but a Chinese hegemony would likely be a world of censorship and social credit. Compared to a flawed US democracy I’ll take the US democracy every time.

There will never be a Chinese hegemony. The actual decision is between US hegemony and a duopolar or multipolar world. The latter are pretty obviously preferable if you're not American or not very closely allied.

Multipolar is going to be the most likely future, with at least 4 poles: China, India, US, EU. Probably more in far future. Talking about US/China hegemony is just delusional fearmongering.

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Post by 1_player »

random314 wrote: post #233
1_player wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So? It's good that we have a "representative" of the CCP on this website then. It can't only be a US/NATO-aligned echo chamber. There's people from all over the world here. And more than two sides. Unless you are convinced that NATO are the good guys and CCP are the bad guys so they must be silenced, but I'd tell you that's the propaganda doing the thinking for you.

TBF, there are no representatives of US/NATO on wechat.

It's their loss. To be fair, they had to create a pretty massive and intrusive censorship system to prevent the widespread Western propaganda from entering their borders.

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Post by Eelongate »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #227
Eelongate wrote: post #184

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ICBMs by definition go to space, the B stands for Ballistic. FOB systems aren't ballistic either (that B stands for Bombardment), but still go to space and Brilliant Pebbles is designed to intercept missiles during the initial boost phase, so it would work against FOB systems too. Brilliant Pebbles, once in place, can stop any satellite launch, including those intended to trigger the Kessler syndrome. Of course, Russ…

I thought brilliant pebbles was long cancelled?

At the time the cost to launch it would have been insane since it called for ten thousand or more satellites in LEO. However with Starlink, SpaceX has been promising to demonstrate the ability to economically launch such massive satellite constellations. If they succeed, I expect Brilliant Pebbles to return, although probably under a new name.

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Post by helloworld11 »

plandis wrote: post #161
Terry_Roll wrote: post #150

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AFAIK, there is only one nation on this planet that has dropped a nuke on another country, that can put the rest of the world on edge. Besides you cant rush globalisation, cultural differences take time to evolve over generations, we haven't had the internet and other forms of communication for that many years in the scheme of things and there are still many people on this planet who have not even used or regularly u…

> Whose culture is right? What is right in the eyes of the law? Perhaps I’m the only one who feels this way based on the number of pro-China posts, but a Chinese hegemony would likely be a world of censorship and social credit. Compared to a flawed US democracy I’ll take the US democracy every time.

This is a good point. People often lose some perspective in their analysis of the U.S/Western European-based cultural, political and economic dominance that exists in the world today. And while it certainly is loaded with numerous flaws and misdeeds, the Chinese system of government, social control and cultural management is very easily far worse in so many ways (none of this is to even mention the absolutely grotesque modern political history of China, one on which the modern CCP is founded and still adamantly refuses to reject in any formal way). Choosing between two less-than-perfect options such as these, I have a hard time imagining any moderately rational person with a modicum of interest in basic individual and human rights choosing the Chinese state as their preferred global leader. All countries pay lip service to notions of human rights and dignity, but at least the western democracies somewhat take these concepts seriously, even if they often do so in a patchwork way.

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Post by DicIfTEx »

IncRnd wrote: post #212
russli1993 wrote: post #125

On Aug 2020, a US spy satellite moved close to a Chinese satellite, attempting to shadow it closely. It was caught by the Chinese and they maneuvered it to get away from the US satellite. This seems to constitute ill or malign intent. Why would you go and bother the property of another person? What is the intent behind this move? Trust goes both ways, and it takes effort from both parties to build trust. This kind of…

> This seems to constitute ill or malign intent. Why would you go and bother the property of another person? What is the intent behind this move? The people who make these decisions don't view these sorts of things from the same perspective as you do but from a geopolitical lense of military might. In the simplest case it could be information gathering or even just a distraction. One can say this is an immoral self-p…

> The people who make these decisions don't view these sorts of things from the same perspective as you do but from a geopolitical lense of military might.

For an interesting read on this effect, I'd recommend Lionel Fatton's 2016 article “The impotence of conventional arms control: why do international regimes fail when they are most needed?”[0] (if you can access it).

[0] https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13523260.2016.11...

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Post by Paradigma11 »

sudosysgen wrote: post #188
plandis wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Whose culture is right? What is right in the eyes of the law? Perhaps I’m the only one who feels this way based on the number of pro-China posts, but a Chinese hegemony would likely be a world of censorship and social credit. Compared to a flawed US democracy I’ll take the US democracy every time.

There will never be a Chinese hegemony. The actual decision is between US hegemony and a duopolar or multipolar world. The latter are pretty obviously preferable if you're not American or not very closely allied.

Because multipolar times have been sooo peaceful......
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