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U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by Eelongate »

ridgeguy wrote: post #137
fallingknife wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If retaliation for an attack makes the lives of 1 billion Chinese worse, then that's on them for attacking, not on us for responding. A space force general is not "one guy saying"

Seems like a Pyrrhic dynamic. I can't see how to make the lives of 1 billion Chinese worse without having similar effects on the rest of the first world.

The objective of the game is making the other guy feel certain he can't win. The only winning condition is when both sides believe they can't win.

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Post by wolverine876 »

fallingknife wrote: post #12

> There may come a point where we demonstrate some of our capabilities so that our adversaries understand they cannot deny us the use of space without consequence Obviously that time has come if they are attacking our satellites. Why is everyone in the US government so afraid to stand up to China?

What are you referring to?

The US government is intently focused on competing with China, especially militarily. Agencies are dedicating themselves to it as the leading priority, especially the Dept. of Defense, which is rebuilding its forces specifically for conflict with China. It's in the defense and foreign policy news every day.

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Post by wolverine876 »

justicezyx wrote: post #55
fallingknife wrote: post #12

> There may come a point where we demonstrate some of our capabilities so that our adversaries understand they cannot deny us the use of space without consequence Obviously that time has come if they are attacking our satellites. Why is everyone in the US government so afraid to stand up to China?

I am starting to feel weird about this mentality, I.e.: If someone is capable of attacking us, they are most likely already planning to attack us, and we must plan to attack "first". (Implied in "stand-up to China, as if US were already being put down...) I mean, I was born and raised in China, CCP does not manage to install such mentality into adult Chinese. I never see anyone who say "we have to prepare to strike f…

China's foreign policy has become very aggressive and the CCP fosters intense nationalism domestically (maybe after you left?). Look up 'wolf diplomats', for example.

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Post by Eelongate »

judge2020 wrote: post #136
russli1993 wrote: post #125

On Aug 2020, a US spy satellite moved close to a Chinese satellite, attempting to shadow it closely. It was caught by the Chinese and they maneuvered it to get away from the US satellite. This seems to constitute ill or malign intent. Why would you go and bother the property of another person? What is the intent behind this move? Trust goes both ways, and it takes effort from both parties to build trust. This kind of…

What could possibly be gained moving a satellite closer to another? Threatening to crash into it?

Getting a close look at it, and seeing what it can do. For instance, seeing if it's capable of precisely the evasive behavior that it apparently demonstrated.

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Post by 14 »

nradov wrote: post #129
14 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I like how they call it an attack while openly saying they were operating spy satellites. Should a country not be expected to prevent spy satellites from spying on them?

No. Spy satellites are legally allowed to operate based on international treaty. Kinetic attacks on them by another nation would clearly be an act of war. RF and cyber attacks are kind of a gray area.

Can you point to a source in that I’ve never heard such an agreement. Interested to read about it. Thanks.

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Post by wolverine876 »

gotoeleven wrote: post #23
fallingknife wrote: post #12

> There may come a point where we demonstrate some of our capabilities so that our adversaries understand they cannot deny us the use of space without consequence Obviously that time has come if they are attacking our satellites. Why is everyone in the US government so afraid to stand up to China?

Well the official line is because standing up to China is racist or something. Really it's because so many rich people in the US are beholden to China via investment and other business interests.

Who says that?

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Post by fallingknife »

kelnos wrote: post #120
dividedbyzero wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't Taiwan need a credible second strike capability as well? The US probably can't credibly guarantee their safety, so they'd need to be able to do that themselves, otherwise the threat is empty and useless. But say the US really did arm Taiwan with first and second strike capabilities, I don't even think the US could stomach the reaction to that. How long could they hold out if embargoed by the PRC?

Wouldn't a PRC embargo of the US hurt the PRC nearly as much as the US?

More. Exports to the US are a much greater % of Chinese GDP, than Chinese imports are of US GDP.

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Post by Terry_Roll »

russli1993 wrote: post #125

On Aug 2020, a US spy satellite moved close to a Chinese satellite, attempting to shadow it closely. It was caught by the Chinese and they maneuvered it to get away from the US satellite. This seems to constitute ill or malign intent. Why would you go and bother the property of another person? What is the intent behind this move? Trust goes both ways, and it takes effort from both parties to build trust. This kind of…

AFAIK, there is only one nation on this planet that has dropped a nuke on another country, that can put the rest of the world on edge.

Besides you cant rush globalisation, cultural differences take time to evolve over generations, we haven't had the internet and other forms of communication for that many years in the scheme of things and there are still many people on this planet who have not even used or regularly use the internet.

Whose culture is right? What is right in the eyes of the law?

Are other satellites from other countries also coming under attack and they are not talking about it publicly, making the US seem a victim when many countries are victims but also aggressors?

We are rarely in complete possession of the facts with any govt or big business or anyone else for that matter! C'est la vie

On your point about something being unsustainable, when it comes to nukes, there is more to this than meets the eye, namely energy density. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density#List_of_materia...

So whilst Project Fear keeps populations in awe and fear with a big dangerous firework aka a nuke, its nothing near, religions have been putting the fear of god into people claiming things like thunderstorms and lightening are acts of God!

Sometimes its best to view the news as what are they trying to change here or get out of people.

Still interesting none the less.

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