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U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by 3371 »

mrtnmcc wrote: post #219
3371 wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm Taiwanese, I don't agree.

But isn't that through the lens of of self-determinism? China sees Taiwan as a domestic conflict between ROC/PRC, i.e. that Taiwanese are Chinese ( Han). They would never say the same about the U.S. or Russia for example. Not saying China is correct, just that it's pointless to explain their actions or intent based on the wrong model of their values.

No.

>China is culturally an ancient agrarian society focused more on defending farmland

is nonsense just like all the Chinese netizens who keep saying that "We Descendants of Yanhuang have 5000 years of history". Non-sense, PRC happened in 1949, and before that, it's a History of ethnicities from all over the land Conquer, Massacre, Annex and Integrate each other.

EDIT:

> China is not interested in controlling or imposing beliefs

There are 56 ethnic groups in China, they may have different culture even religion, what do you think how China managed to make sure all 55 other then Han stay under control?

Re: U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by [deleted] »

3371 wrote: post #221
mrtnmcc wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But isn't that through the lens of of self-determinism? China sees Taiwan as a domestic conflict between ROC/PRC, i.e. that Taiwanese are Chinese ( Han). They would never say the same about the U.S. or Russia for example. Not saying China is correct, just that it's pointless to explain their actions or intent based on the wrong model of their values.

No. >China is culturally an ancient agrarian society focused more on defending farmland is nonsense just like all the Chinese netizens who keep saying that "We Descendants of Yanhuang have 5000 years of history". Non-sense, PRC happened in 1949, and before that, it's a History of ethnicities from all over the land Conquer, Massacre, Annex and Integrate each other. EDIT: > China is not interested in controlling or imp…

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Re: U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by mrtnmcc »

3371 wrote: post #221
mrtnmcc wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But isn't that through the lens of of self-determinism? China sees Taiwan as a domestic conflict between ROC/PRC, i.e. that Taiwanese are Chinese ( Han). They would never say the same about the U.S. or Russia for example. Not saying China is correct, just that it's pointless to explain their actions or intent based on the wrong model of their values.

No. >China is culturally an ancient agrarian society focused more on defending farmland is nonsense just like all the Chinese netizens who keep saying that "We Descendants of Yanhuang have 5000 years of history". Non-sense, PRC happened in 1949, and before that, it's a History of ethnicities from all over the land Conquer, Massacre, Annex and Integrate each other. EDIT: > China is not interested in controlling or imp…

"The estimated 1.4 billion Han Chinese people are mostly concentrated in the People's Republic of China (Mainland China), where they make up about 92% of the total population.[2] In the Republic of China (Taiwan), they make up about 97% of the population."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Chinese

Is that incorrect?

Re: U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by eesmith »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #214
russli1993 wrote: post #125

On Aug 2020, a US spy satellite moved close to a Chinese satellite, attempting to shadow it closely. It was caught by the Chinese and they maneuvered it to get away from the US satellite. This seems to constitute ill or malign intent. Why would you go and bother the property of another person? What is the intent behind this move? Trust goes both ways, and it takes effort from both parties to build trust. This kind of…

I'm going to offer a lone hope: militarization of space may fund the practical colonization of space. I personally wouldn't mind the entirety of the surface navy fleet budget being redirected to space armaments and developments budgets. I would say off the top of my head that if the US had a well developed moon base, then it could effectively attack most satellites in earth orbit and rockets attempting to reach orbit…

Would militarization of the oceans fund the practical colonization of the oceans? What about the militarization of Antarctica?

> then it could effectively attack most satellites in earth orbit and rockets attempting to reach orbit

This is the High Ground thesis, dating back to the 1950s (see https://thespacereview.com/article/396/1 and http://spaceflighthistory.blogspot.com/2015/08/he-who-contro... ).

It takes a couple of days to get from the Moon to the Earth. A Moon base could not prevent rockets from reaching orbit.

I'm pretty sure the US, and likely also Russia, can already effectively attack most satellites in earth orbit, so if that's the goal, a Moon base seems needless.

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Post by eesmith »

deanCommie wrote: post #210
rvense wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's absolutely nothing cool about the military. https://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

When I was a kid I absolutely thought the military was cool. My kids books had fighter jets, aircraft carriers, tanks, and soldiers. And that was all awesome and badass. Now I have a toddler, and I think it's appalling that kids books include this machinery amongst the same pages as firetrucks, ambulances, passenger jets, and cruise ships. It's completely fucked up how we normalize weapons of war and indoctrinate our…

“I have seen war. I have seen war on land and sea. I have seen blood running from the wounded. I have seen men coughing out their gassed lungs. I have seen the dead in the mud. I have seen cities destroyed. I have seen 200 limping, exhausted men come out of line—the survivors of a regiment of 1,000 that went forward 48 hours before. I have seen children starving. I have seen the agony of mothers and wives. I hate war.” -- FDR

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Post by GekkePrutser »

greeneggs wrote: post #159
russli1993 wrote: post #125

On Aug 2020, a US spy satellite moved close to a Chinese satellite, attempting to shadow it closely. It was caught by the Chinese and they maneuvered it to get away from the US satellite. This seems to constitute ill or malign intent. Why would you go and bother the property of another person? What is the intent behind this move? Trust goes both ways, and it takes effort from both parties to build trust. This kind of…

I don't see why looking at something closely is evidence of "malign intent." After all, the whole point of spy satellites is to look closely at other countries. You could say that it is risky, because there could be a collision, but that is quite different from malign intent, and this risk can be greatly mitigated.

Spying in itself is a military act. Sure everyone does it but that doesn't make it nicer.

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Post by GekkePrutser »

Eelongate wrote: post #184
djsbs wrote: post #166

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The Russians new ICBM don't go to space and fly a “low” altitude trajectory to avoid ABM defences. including, it seems, these pebbles. Anyway, the Russians or the Chinese, if they reasonably feel they’re being denied access to space will trigger the Kessler syndrome. what happens if the Russians counter the 1000 mini-pebbles in space with ten massive satellites filled with TNT, ball bearings and a remote trigger? Ult…

ICBMs by definition go to space, the B stands for Ballistic. FOB systems aren't ballistic either (that B stands for Bombardment), but still go to space and Brilliant Pebbles is designed to intercept missiles during the initial boost phase, so it would work against FOB systems too. Brilliant Pebbles, once in place, can stop any satellite launch, including those intended to trigger the Kessler syndrome. Of course, Russ…

I thought brilliant pebbles was long cancelled?

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Post by togglebot1 »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #227
Eelongate wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ICBMs by definition go to space, the B stands for Ballistic. FOB systems aren't ballistic either (that B stands for Bombardment), but still go to space and Brilliant Pebbles is designed to intercept missiles during the initial boost phase, so it would work against FOB systems too. Brilliant Pebbles, once in place, can stop any satellite launch, including those intended to trigger the Kessler syndrome. Of course, Russ…

I thought brilliant pebbles was long cancelled?

Hypersonic tech and reduced launch costs have brought something similar back if the funding keeps coming.

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

eesmith wrote: post #224
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to offer a lone hope: militarization of space may fund the practical colonization of space. I personally wouldn't mind the entirety of the surface navy fleet budget being redirected to space armaments and developments budgets. I would say off the top of my head that if the US had a well developed moon base, then it could effectively attack most satellites in earth orbit and rockets attempting to reach orbit…

Would militarization of the oceans fund the practical colonization of the oceans? What about the militarization of Antarctica? > then it could effectively attack most satellites in earth orbit and rockets attempting to reach orbit This is the High Ground thesis, dating back to the 1950s (see https://thespacereview.com/article/396/1 and http://spaceflighthistory.blogspot.com/2015/08/he-who-contro... ). It takes a coup…

The naval analogy applies especially in space: any weapon you put on a ship you can build one 10x bigger on the shore.

The shore in this case is the moon.

In the case of rocket interception from the moon, you put a big laser on the moon, not complicated. Could you do that from the Earth? Atmosphere, etc.

As for historical precedent for military dominance presaging development, it isn't really a good example, but it's the period of colonialism in Europe. Countries in europe raced to build economic exploitation empires elsewhere in the world, let by advanced militarization of the seas.

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Post by 1_player »

thrwaycnsznship wrote: post #138
russli1993 wrote: post #125

On Aug 2020, a US spy satellite moved close to a Chinese satellite, attempting to shadow it closely. It was caught by the Chinese and they maneuvered it to get away from the US satellite. This seems to constitute ill or malign intent. Why would you go and bother the property of another person? What is the intent behind this move? Trust goes both ways, and it takes effort from both parties to build trust. This kind of…

Your comment history is only comments defending the CCP.

So? It's good that we have a "representative" of the CCP on this website then. It can't only be a US/NATO-aligned echo chamber. There's people from all over the world here. And more than two sides.

Unless you are convinced that NATO are the good guys and CCP are the bad guys so they must be silenced, but I'd tell you that's the propaganda doing the thinking for you.

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