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U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by kungito »

plandis wrote: post #161
Terry_Roll wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK, there is only one nation on this planet that has dropped a nuke on another country, that can put the rest of the world on edge. Besides you cant rush globalisation, cultural differences take time to evolve over generations, we haven't had the internet and other forms of communication for that many years in the scheme of things and there are still many people on this planet who have not even used or regularly u…

> Whose culture is right? What is right in the eyes of the law? Perhaps I’m the only one who feels this way based on the number of pro-China posts, but a Chinese hegemony would likely be a world of censorship and social credit. Compared to a flawed US democracy I’ll take the US democracy every time.

I'd take european democracy over US democracy any time

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Post by IncRnd »

russli1993 wrote: post #125

On Aug 2020, a US spy satellite moved close to a Chinese satellite, attempting to shadow it closely. It was caught by the Chinese and they maneuvered it to get away from the US satellite. This seems to constitute ill or malign intent. Why would you go and bother the property of another person? What is the intent behind this move? Trust goes both ways, and it takes effort from both parties to build trust. This kind of…

> This seems to constitute ill or malign intent. Why would you go and bother the property of another person? What is the intent behind this move?

The people who make these decisions don't view these sorts of things from the same perspective as you do but from a geopolitical lense of military might. In the simplest case it could be information gathering or even just a distraction. One can say this is an immoral self-perpetuating cycle, but that is how it is today.

This article, Space Command Hints at New Capabilities to Counter China, Russia, from Aug 21, 2020 may help shed light on that. [1] This article is from the same month but an Indian perspective [2]

[1] https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2020/8/21/u...

[2] https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/china-atte...

Edit: I have looked at your comment history, and you appear to be very defensive of CCP in every comment you make. I'm not sure your question here was asked in good faith.

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Post by wildoats »

russli1993 wrote: post #125

On Aug 2020, a US spy satellite moved close to a Chinese satellite, attempting to shadow it closely. It was caught by the Chinese and they maneuvered it to get away from the US satellite. This seems to constitute ill or malign intent. Why would you go and bother the property of another person? What is the intent behind this move? Trust goes both ways, and it takes effort from both parties to build trust. This kind of…

Space is like international waters and I predict similar hijinks in coming years unfortunately.

Satellites harassing with close passes, blocking antennas, maybe even poking each other. "Damn ye Russian satellites!" The politicians bellow as they shake their fists at the cosmos.

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

russli1993 wrote: post #125

On Aug 2020, a US spy satellite moved close to a Chinese satellite, attempting to shadow it closely. It was caught by the Chinese and they maneuvered it to get away from the US satellite. This seems to constitute ill or malign intent. Why would you go and bother the property of another person? What is the intent behind this move? Trust goes both ways, and it takes effort from both parties to build trust. This kind of…

I'm going to offer a lone hope: militarization of space may fund the practical colonization of space. I personally wouldn't mind the entirety of the surface navy fleet budget being redirected to space armaments and developments budgets.

I would say off the top of my head that if the US had a well developed moon base, then it could effectively attack most satellites in earth orbit and rockets attempting to reach orbit. No other strategic point in near earth space can provide a base for manufacturing, storage, launch , refuelling, etc of earth orbit superiority.

Right now the military has a rare window: if Starship enables a 10x payload advantage, that is a 10x throughput advantage for getting moon base up and running.

Of course owning the moon would mean even more dominance of the rest of the solar system. You can launch Orion pulse nuclear craft from the Moon pretty easily for practical planetary ships of very very large size (1 million tons)

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Post by devoutsalsa »

colechristensen wrote: post #48
devoutsalsa wrote: post #33

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I wanna see one of the USA adversaries magically lose a satellite somehow with firing a missile at it. Like a tractor beam or something. We need some good source material for our high tech, near future science fiction.

Everybody’s already demonstrated their ability to shoot down satellites. Mysteriously deorbiting one with our mini robot shuttle though…

They’d see the X-37 sneak up. But maybe it could deploy a small, stealth drone to push a satellite down?

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Post by 3371 »

mrtnmcc wrote: post #168
plandis wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Whose culture is right? What is right in the eyes of the law? Perhaps I’m the only one who feels this way based on the number of pro-China posts, but a Chinese hegemony would likely be a world of censorship and social credit. Compared to a flawed US democracy I’ll take the US democracy every time.

China is culturally an ancient agrarian society focused more on defending farmland than conquering nations. This is not really comparable to the U.S. which is an ideology-based nation that inherited European imperialism traits. China is not interested in controlling or imposing beliefs in the same way it's rivals are so we shouldn't interpret their actions with the same lens.

I'm Taiwanese, I don't agree.

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Post by 14 »

nradov wrote: post #162
14 wrote: post #147

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Can you point to a source in that I’ve never heard such an agreement. Interested to read about it. Thanks.

https://www.unoosa.org/oosa/en/ourwork/spacelaw/treaties.htm...

Honestly I gave it a good search on that site and could not find anything to what you claim. What I did find right away on the opening page was this as follows

"These five treaties deal with issues such as the non-appropriation of outer space by any one country, arms control, the freedom of exploration, liability for damage caused by space objects, the safety and rescue of spacecraft and astronauts, the prevention of harmful interference with space activities and the environment, the notification and registration of space activities, scientific investigation and the exploitation of natural resources in outer space and the settlement of disputes.

Each of the treaties stresses the notion that outer space, the activities carried out in outer space and whatever benefits might be accrued from outer space should be devoted to enhancing the well-being of all countries and humankind, with an emphasis on promoting international cooperation."

To me that last part is what I notice. Should be devoted to enhancing the well being of all countries and humankind, with emphasis on promoting international cooperation. So how would spying do any of that? It is more likely to get the other country angry and not cooperate. If there is relevant text that shows spying is actually legal please do show it, I am not saying you are incorrect but I am having a hard time verifying your claim. Do you have a direct source that spells it out? Again, thanks.

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Post by boomboomsubban »

post_from_work wrote: post #206
boomboomsubban wrote: post #46

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I don't think temporarily stopping us from spying on them justifies potentially killing people, particularly as I'd bet we do the same thing. And no matter how important a guy is they still need to provide evidence for their claims.

>>>I don't think temporarily stopping us from spying on them justifies potentially killing people Interestingly enough, Trump took the same position when the Iranians shot down an expensive spy drone, and Trump called off the punitive strike against Iran that would have killed ~150 people. Yet people maintained that he was an unstable warmonger. shrug https://www.npr.org/2019/06/21/734683701/trump-reportedly-or...

Because he also made decisions like removing the Presidential approval for CIA drone strikes, dropped the "Mother of All Bombs," sold masses of weapons to the Saudis while helping them kill Yemenis, and many more acts.

That he claimed to have stopped one strike doesn't change his record, though his overall record was similar to other recent presidents.

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Post by mrtnmcc »

3371 wrote: post #216
mrtnmcc wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is culturally an ancient agrarian society focused more on defending farmland than conquering nations. This is not really comparable to the U.S. which is an ideology-based nation that inherited European imperialism traits. China is not interested in controlling or imposing beliefs in the same way it's rivals are so we shouldn't interpret their actions with the same lens.

I'm Taiwanese, I don't agree.

But isn't that through the lens of of self-determinism? China sees Taiwan as a domestic conflict between ROC/PRC, i.e. that Taiwanese are Chinese ( Han). They would never say the same about the U.S. or Russia for example. Not saying China is correct, just that it's pointless to explain their actions or intent based on the wrong model of their values.

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Post by mrtnmcc »

amprolh wrote: post #192
mrtnmcc wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is culturally an ancient agrarian society focused more on defending farmland than conquering nations. This is not really comparable to the U.S. which is an ideology-based nation that inherited European imperialism traits. China is not interested in controlling or imposing beliefs in the same way it's rivals are so we shouldn't interpret their actions with the same lens.

> culturally an ancient society https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution > China is not interested in controlling or imposing beliefs China is extremely interested in controlling and imposing the beliefs that the CCP is the best and should never be opposed and never makes mistakes, and demonstrates this daily within the great firewall and through threat of sanction against international media companies, neve…

Control of actions and beliefs of citizens absolutely. But again that's to maintain internal stability. You'd need to give specific examples for the latter point.
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