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Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by jeofken »

poszlem wrote: post #747
ryandrake wrote: post #150

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> And now they try to fix this by dividing the country in two. This will have no effect whatsoever on the infections, it will just continue to drive a divide that is already existing and will make anti-vaxxers even more convinced that this is a big conspiracy. You could say this about any law that enforces some uncomfortable behavior change. Anyone who remembers when seat belt laws became real, sees history repeating…

Ironically, this probably proves their point of "this being a slipper slope", since now the fact that we agreed to wear seatbelts is used to force us to do other things.

It’d be nothing strange about a road company demanding seat belts on their roads. Currently that business is run by a state monopoly, and only then do seat belt mandates become an issue to discuss.

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by disambiguation »

crooked-v wrote: post #115
fileeditview wrote: post #71

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So true and not mentioned enough by the media. The fact that we lost more than 4000 ICU beds over last year (during the Corona pandemic!!) because of personnel shortage is mind-boggling. Instead of rewarding those who worked these horrible jobs and maybe attract new workers with better conditions (e.g. more holidays), better pay or tax reduction, our politicians did campaigning and ignored the upcoming winter. Now th…

With exponential spread, the actual number of ICU beds really doesn't matter, because whatever you've got will be overwhelmed across a similar timeframe anyway. The only way to actually fix the problem is to get the R-value below 1, which requires mass vaccinations.

I can't believe people still think herd immunity is possible.

Delta. Omicron.

Our technology sucks and is slow, we can't achieve R < 1 this way.

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by d1a2n »

ikrenji wrote: post #678
nzk wrote: post #527

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No, it's not the goal. The goal is also not to split society in two and create a group that'll hate everyone forever, just because our leaders can't own up to their mistakes. The goal is to get through the pandemic best we can, and keeping societal values and principals intact should be an important part of that.

what values? half the population doesn't value science, rationality, wisdom, progress etc. I don't wanna be governed by science deniers. I also don't wanna spend years in lockdown because people are refusing to get pricked by a needle

>people are refusing to get pricked by a needle

I was under the impression it was not the needle but the solution that is injected into the body through the needle that they were objecting to.

Let me know when they have a vaccine that lasts longer than 6 months and doesn't give young men heart attacks -- actually, don't, because I still won't take it because I'm just... not... afraid... of... the... virus...

By the way, when do you reckon the former Chief Scientist at the megacorp that produces the science juice that you probably had shot into your body stopped valuing science? https://www.bitchute.com/video/FPehpfdTleDo/

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by dham »

chinathrow wrote: post #750
dham wrote: post #523

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Everyone will get this virus. Countries that do good now will do bad later and countries that did bad now we do good later. It's all inevitable. All you can do is take it on the chin or delay it. Every country has predetermined number based on their population demographics and health, that they will hit and there's no thing we can do about it.

Nothing we can do about it? Vaccines work.

Yes they do. But total deaths will always be the same over x amount is time. For instance instead of a 5 year old just getting COVID and never worrying about it again we delay it so they get it when there 80 and die from it. We’ll never have a good enough vaccine. We’ll cure most cancers before this thing. Lol

History will show that the only right choice was to let this thing rip. Come to this thread in 10 - 20 years. Unless an actually deadly virus hasn’t wiped us out by the

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by somewhereoutth »

fhany wrote: post #403
somewhereoutth wrote: post #354

Realistically: 1) Mandatory vaccination, all age groups, boosters etc. AND 2) permanently reconfiguring our society to reduce social contacts such that with the vaccines, COVID is suppressed. If the vaccines work well, then small (maybe no) changes will be needed. If they don't, then large changes. WFH, no indoor hospitality etc. We can cycle through lockdowns, we can wring our hands about vaccinating children, we ca…

The winter outbreaks in the northern hemisphere seem to disprove these conjectures: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/christmas-cancelled-gi...

They show that the current vaccines lose efficacy after about 6 months (unboosted). The grim calculation remains the same.

Tragically, those most vulnerable were vaccinated first, so lost immunity just as vaccination programs were completed and we opened up.

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by mythrwy »

jacquesm wrote: post #716
stormking wrote: post #661

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Yeah, but then the unvaccinated would only be risking their own lives. The most prominent argument for compulsory vaccination right now is that they're taking away scarce ICU beds.

It's a factor, but not the whole story. A lot of people are immunocompromised and for them just getting infected immediately raises the risks to unacceptable levels. We all owe the weaker people in our societies (from a health perspective) to take care of them, and if that requires us to get vaccinated to create a cordon of safety then so be it. That there are a bunch of egoists that would rather have us all fend for…

While I don't disagree with what you are saying in the abstract, there are limits and the demands really should be rational.

I don't see that with this series of vaccines. They do not stop transmission. The ICU issue cannot be addressed fairly without addressing the other causes that put large numbers of people in ICUs.

We pay every year as a society in deaths for the assumption of some risk. We manage it, make laws, or just leave it alone and some people die (for example, we don't ban cars or eating too many calories or swimming pools).

In my estimation we are going a bit overboard demanding everyone take a novel injection, most especially when it appears the health authorities either didn't understand or didn't communicate the effectiveness over time of the injections.

There's a point were everything can't be all about what someone at the top proclaims is for the social good. Otherwise we wind up in corruption and dictatorship.

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by passing_by_and »

What I really like about all these different threads and topics on COVID is the mastery of control that is shown. We have viable treatments that work and could be prescribed en masse. Not discussed, not mentioned. The sole discussion topic is "vaccines" and mask theatre. Totally ignoring any inconvenient data about either.

Everyone's focus is to tear each other apart about which level of destruction is best for the non-vaxed. They are the problem and need to be crushed. Just excellent demonstration of media control and emotional manipulation.

Here we see the Germans following the leaders of human rights: China, Austria, Australia in preparing further legal frameworks to make the non-vaxed into non-people. Their futures will be fines, imprisonment and hopefully their lives permanently ruined. With cheers from the vaxxed.

After this we will be imprisoning or maybe just hanging from lampposts those who don't get enough boosters. For the safety of the children.

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by m4rtink »

vletal wrote: post #91
shoto_io wrote: post #7

As a double vaccinated German, I am very disappointed and angry about this move. Our politicians have failed to prepare the country for the Winter (who could have known...). We lack a basic strategy how to cope with Covid. And now they try to fix this by dividing the country in two. This will have no effect whatsoever on the infections, it will just continue to drive a divide that is already existing and will make an…

You feel like Germany is lacking basic strategy? I'm Czech and we wish here we would be as prepared and forward thinking as your representatives are. If it was not for one of the highest rate of ICU beds per capita in the world and all the high quality nurses and doctors we export to Germany, our health care would have already crumbled.

Yet still the toll this is taking on the doctors and nurses in Czech hospitals is so sad. And to add insult to injury hardly anyone from the outside thanks them anymore & the antivaxers they often take care about are often very rude or even aggressive - often literally on deaths bed.

Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by [deleted] »

bruce343434 wrote: post #702
ikrenji wrote: post #692

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no thank you. you let your body be ravaged by an exotic viral disease from asian bats. I will take my booster

Would it be less bad if the virus was bred on Dutch grounds by another animal? Otherwise I am not sure what your are implying or why you bring it up.

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Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

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Post by [deleted] »

bruce343434 wrote: post #699
sasaf5 wrote: post #694

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Or you can get the same result from vaccines, without having to kill a few %.

So far I have gotten sicker from my vaccines than the coronavirus. I am NOT going to get boosters, fuck that. I'm not going to get revaccinated every once in a while. Sorry, humanity can deal with it. Vaccines don't work well enough, clearly. I did everything right. I got vaccinated. I isolated. I endured lockdown. I did not go out frivolously. I wore masks when I needed to go out anyway. What could I have done diffe…

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