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Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by ta988 »

politelemon wrote: post #233
selfhoster11 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you see as poor Linux support?

My mistake on the wording, I should have said "mediocre", perhaps. I can't edit the comment now, oops sorry. I am referring to lack of an installer, and also the default shortcuts which clash with the distro, and in general I've seen features come to Linux a lot later. So a better way to put it is that Linux feels like an afterthought to Jetbrains. I do follow and also raise issues you on YouTrack but find they often…

The installer is called jetbrains Toolbox. Never had any issues on systems with i3, gnome, sway...

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by MattRix »

y4mi wrote: post #244
LeonM wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used Jetbrains products for a long time, both as a student, and later professionally. Jetbrains products are free for students, and paid for professional use. In my opinion, the pricing of the product is spot on. My company pays about ~200 euro per seat per year, which is a good price for the quality tooling you get. In my experience, VSCode is not competitive with Jetbrains products. Their products come with su…

> Jetbrains products are free for students, and paid for professional use. In my opinion, the pricing of the product is spot on. My company pays about ~200 euro per seat per year, which is a good price for the quality tooling you get. well, they're in violation of the licence if thats true. The 150€/250€ licence is for private people, companies have to pay 500€/650€. /edit: i guess non of the people that are respondi…

That’s the first year pricing, it goes down significantly by the third year. A larger company could potentially negotiate a discount on top of that. Each of their applications can also be subscribed to individualy as well, some for around 200 euros.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by nlitened »

999900000999 wrote: post #219

My issue has never been the actual cost of JBs products, but rather I have to go and justify myself to a manager to get a license. That's something which of course is not a factor when you're using open source stuff, but maybe I'll still buy this for my personal use. Vs code was supposed to be a lighter weight visual studio, but at this point it's hell bent on becoming just as bloated.

I suppose something like: “Hey pal, you pay me 400k a year. How about we spend 200 bucks a year to make me 10% more productive?”

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by ta988 »

square_usual wrote: post #125
mikkelam wrote: post #99

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Why? Because I'm a second class citizen in a java IDE. No thanks. The marketing is also quite clear on the target audience https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/

Not really, tbh. IntelliJ Ultimate + the Ruby extension is RubyMine with a different name. Likewise with Go and JS, and I'm sure it's the same for php etc. but I can't speak for those. I've used this setup when I was testing out a bunch of languages for fun.

It is my experience as well. I only use CLion for Rust and C. All the rest (Python, TS, Kotlin, Ruby, Scala) I do in IntelliJ.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

If it's got IntelliJ's keybindings, I'm game. I've been a JetBrains user/customer for just under 20 years, and my brain is now hardwired for them. I've got a residual part of my brain that can do Emacs, but VSCode has never been pleasant for me, so I'm into this if they can do it right.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by wilsonnb3 »

square_usual wrote: post #125
mikkelam wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Because I'm a second class citizen in a java IDE. No thanks. The marketing is also quite clear on the target audience https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/

Not really, tbh. IntelliJ Ultimate + the Ruby extension is RubyMine with a different name. Likewise with Go and JS, and I'm sure it's the same for php etc. but I can't speak for those. I've used this setup when I was testing out a bunch of languages for fun.

It is not true for C#, you need Rider for that. That is the only exception I am aware of, though.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by WildGreenLeave »

y4mi wrote: post #244
LeonM wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used Jetbrains products for a long time, both as a student, and later professionally. Jetbrains products are free for students, and paid for professional use. In my opinion, the pricing of the product is spot on. My company pays about ~200 euro per seat per year, which is a good price for the quality tooling you get. In my experience, VSCode is not competitive with Jetbrains products. Their products come with su…

> Jetbrains products are free for students, and paid for professional use. In my opinion, the pricing of the product is spot on. My company pays about ~200 euro per seat per year, which is a good price for the quality tooling you get. well, they're in violation of the licence if thats true. The 150€/250€ licence is for private people, companies have to pay 500€/650€. /edit: i guess non of the people that are respondi…

As far as I know you are allowed to use the individual license commercially [0], it is just that you cannot reimburse it from a company. I wonder where the line is and if you are allowed to use the individual license as a freelancer.

[0]: https://www.jetbrains.com/store/comparison.html#LicenseCompa...

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by [deleted] »

MattRix wrote: post #252
y4mi wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Jetbrains products are free for students, and paid for professional use. In my opinion, the pricing of the product is spot on. My company pays about ~200 euro per seat per year, which is a good price for the quality tooling you get. well, they're in violation of the licence if thats true. The 150€/250€ licence is for private people, companies have to pay 500€/650€. /edit: i guess non of the people that are respondi…

That’s the first year pricing, it goes down significantly by the third year. A larger company could potentially negotiate a discount on top of that. Each of their applications can also be subscribed to individualy as well, some for around 200 euros.

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Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by [deleted] »

gjvc wrote: post #31
tluyben2 wrote: post #15

Little bit offtopic; I try jetbrains ide's every time I get a new laptop; lately Rider for a 1m+ LoC c# project on my 16gb m1. It is unusable. I like the features but it is so incredibly slow... and it gets even slower as the day goes on.

The culprit is the JDK11-based JBR. I was ready to dump JetBrains tools due to their lagginess, but with some deviousness (which might not suit you), I now have them running slipperier than a wet fish, by using JDK15/16 and JAOTC. Instructions are here: https://iam.georgecox.com/2021/11/24/making-jetbrains-ides-r... (I am very keen to tell people who are in the same despair as I was about how slow JetBrains apps are…

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Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by skocznymroczny »

glun wrote: post #228

Whenever I try to use something other than IntelliJ (generally VS Code) I'm always struck by how awful the code completion and auto-imports are. I really hope we can get a lightweight editor with those two functions working properly. However, I don't see how you can do either of those features well without a lot of indexing of the codebase. And indexing is a major reason why IntelliJ so so clunky.

With same languages? Whenever I stray away from C#/Java world, I am amazed how bad the IDE experience is for other languages, but that's because most other languages have features which don't play well with IDEs (dynamic typing, templates, macros, anything compile time).
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