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How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Post by k8sToGo »

HMH wrote: post #70

Maximum death rate for all age groups with Moderna, which at least according to these plots provides the lowest death rate, is at 0.8/100_000 in August 2021 for all age groups. Maximum death rate for the unvaccinated of age 12-17 is at 0.17/100_000, for age 18-29 it is 0.76/100_000, also in August 2021. So even unvaccinated younger people (age < 30) are better off than the average vaccinated Joe. The thing is, so far…

Except that you are also more easily spreading the virus if you are not vaccinated.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Post by gardncl »

dougmwne wrote: post #71

Dear HN, should I, a man under 40 get a booster shot? How many months after my second dose should I get it? What are the best resources to answer this question? This information is scary hard to get for someone who wants science, not politics.

>What are the best resources to answer this question? Your physician. Not hacker news.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Post by elif »

HMH wrote: post #70

Maximum death rate for all age groups with Moderna, which at least according to these plots provides the lowest death rate, is at 0.8/100_000 in August 2021 for all age groups. Maximum death rate for the unvaccinated of age 12-17 is at 0.17/100_000, for age 18-29 it is 0.76/100_000, also in August 2021. So even unvaccinated younger people (age < 30) are better off than the average vaccinated Joe. The thing is, so far…

That perspective is only accurate egocentrically. If you look at population-level epidemiology you will find vaccines inhibit viral spread.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Post by Teever »

steviedotboston wrote: post #32

It really seems like it's safe to say that a fully vaccinated person's risk of dying from covid is low enough where based on the pre-2020 accepted societal standards for risk there should be next to no behavior modification expected.

You'd think so, but where I'm from there are rural areas where hardly anyone has vaccinated and those who get sick from COVID are filling all of the hospitals in the cities while many other people were actually protesting at hospitals.

It's really disconcerting to think all those amazing life-saving but time-critical techniques and technologies that we have developed in the 20th century don't mean a thing if you're screaming in agony in the back of an ambulance after a car accident while the ambulance is stuck in a protest 200 feet from the ER entrance.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Post by mint2 »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #11

If you change the age group to the youngest possible, there are times where those dying that are vaccinated actually surpasses those that are unvaccinated. The difference is so low though that I don't understand how it would make sense to vaccinate those under 12. I remember at the onset of COVID-19 that they tried so hard to make everyone scared to death (literally) that they would push videos of people dying in the…

The data there is clearly extremely noisy the way it jumps around so much

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Post by bobthechef »

zwieback wrote: post #14
curiousgal wrote: post #3

I mean can we just get over this already? I feel like the more effort that we spend trying to prove that vaccines work, the more merit the anti-vax movement gains. Can we just ignore those people or simply just laugh at them and move on?

Agreed, convincing people who think the entire thing is orchestrated by dark forces is pointless. At this point, what I'd like to see: a) accept natural immunity alongside vaccination status, probably need some kind of antibody count test for that to work b) "incentives" for vaccinated population, e.g. 90% discount on COVID treatments while unvaccinated pay full price

No need to be black and white about this. It's not just a battle between the rabid authoritarians and hysterical Chicken Littles on one side, and the crackpot QAnons and categorical anti-vaxxers on the other. There's a range of reasonable positions in between. So let's stop framing things in the distorted and divisive way that the media has profited enormously from.

I, for one, do not think the COVID vaccine specifically should be mandatory, nor do I think coercive tactics should be used. I think freedom of conscience is important generally and people should not be compelled against their consciences to do things they do not think they should be doing. We should also avoid fixating on COVID as if it was the be-all and end-all of human existence. It is one consideration and also one that does not justifiably admit imposing a blanket burden on everyone. Perhaps this is the result of the law of instrument: some epidemiology-informed considerations could be so hyperfocused on COVID, everything else if forgotten.

A treatment of this topic is also available here which touches on these considerations: https://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2021/10/covid-19-vaccinatio...

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Post by xigoi »

dougmwne wrote: post #71

Dear HN, should I, a man under 40 get a booster shot? How many months after my second dose should I get it? What are the best resources to answer this question? This information is scary hard to get for someone who wants science, not politics.

I'm not a medical expert, but my country (Czechia) recommends getting the third dose 6 months after the second.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Post by sjg007 »

dougmwne wrote: post #71

Dear HN, should I, a man under 40 get a booster shot? How many months after my second dose should I get it? What are the best resources to answer this question? This information is scary hard to get for someone who wants science, not politics.

In the US: 6 months after the 2nd mRNA dose or 2 months after J&J.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Post by guynamedloren »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #66
rozap wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably a few things. Younger people getting it as schools open up, and it has already killed a lot of the people that it was able to kill.

> Younger people getting it as schools open up Wouldn't that cause an increase in the death rate among the unvaccinated? AFAIK this data isn't "covid deaths/people who got covid", it's "covid deaths/the entire population".

This confused me as well -- it's not totally obvious with the way that the information is presented.

Per the "Sources" tab:

> Incidence rate estimates: Weekly age-specific incidence rates by vaccination status were calculated as the number of deaths divided by the number of people either fully vaccinated (cumulative) or unvaccinated (obtained by subtracting the cumulative number of fully vaccinated and current number of partially vaccinated people from the 2019 U.S. intercensal population estimates) and multiplied by 100,000. Overall incidence rates were age-standardized using the 2000 U.S. Census standard population. Rates are not adjusted for time since vaccination, underlying conditions, or other demographic factors besides age.

So I believe you're correct in that the data comparing deaths against the entire population, not against people who got covid.

Re: How death rates from Covid-19 differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated

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Post by jrd259 »

HMH wrote: post #70

Maximum death rate for all age groups with Moderna, which at least according to these plots provides the lowest death rate, is at 0.8/100_000 in August 2021 for all age groups. Maximum death rate for the unvaccinated of age 12-17 is at 0.17/100_000, for age 18-29 it is 0.76/100_000, also in August 2021. So even unvaccinated younger people (age < 30) are better off than the average vaccinated Joe. The thing is, so far…

If you are under 30, it appears your risk of death is low regardless of your status, but you will not forever be under 30, and perhaps you know some over-30 for whom the difference in death rate is important? Even if there's no one you care about who is over 30, to the extent that vaccination also reduces your risk of infecting others, it is polite to your society to be vaccinated. Perhaps you get no great benefit, but others do.
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