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What are the best resources to answer this question? This information is scary hard to get for someone who wants science, not politics.
I mean can we just get over this already? I feel like the more effort that we spend trying to prove that vaccines work, the more merit the anti-vax movement gains. Can we just ignore those people or simply just laugh at them and move on?
We can't move on when a substantial part of the population remains unvaccinated. With hospitals in the brink of collapse, there would be no return to normality any time soon.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/current-covid-patients-ic...
This is fine but still overlooks sample bias. I.e older and more susceptible to illness people like 70 year olds are more likely to be vaxxed than 25 year olds. Had the vaccination rate been constant across ages, the unvaccinated death rate would be far higher and the vaccinated death rate far lower. It’s bad stats to not account for the population differences like that one.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
OP is asking about survivorship rate of people who get it, not how likely you are to die of covid. Herd immunity shouldn't come into play here.
You are right, it's not what he was asking. Yet, herd immunity absolutely come into play. The peak of death rates were during hospital overrun.
https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...
There has never been enough hospital overrun to significantly impact death rates. In other words, the number of people who died who would have survived if more hospital care was available is extremely small relative to the total death toll.
I mean can we just get over this already? I feel like the more effort that we spend trying to prove that vaccines work, the more merit the anti-vax movement gains. Can we just ignore those people or simply just laugh at them and move on?
It's not about antivaxers (honestly - personally, I haven't even thought about those folks first), it's about vaccine efficiency. Something I am - as someone who was eagerly vaccinated - is curious about. Surely it's always good to know what are my risks those days.
This is fine but still overlooks sample bias. I.e older and more susceptible to illness people like 70 year olds are more likely to be vaxxed than 25 year olds. Had the vaccination rate been constant across ages, the unvaccinated death rate would be far higher and the vaccinated death rate far lower. It’s bad stats to not account for the population differences like that one.
I don't believe this statistical analysis is proper, because it doesn't take into account the statistical problems highlighted here: https://probabilityandlaw.blogspot.com/2021/11/is-vaccine-ef...
This is fine but still overlooks sample bias. I.e older and more susceptible to illness people like 70 year olds are more likely to be vaxxed than 25 year olds. Had the vaccination rate been constant across ages, the unvaccinated death rate would be far higher and the vaccinated death rate far lower. It’s bad stats to not account for the population differences like that one.
It really seems like it's safe to say that a fully vaccinated person's risk of dying from covid is low enough where based on the pre-2020 accepted societal standards for risk there should be next to no behavior modification expected.
Death is not the only bad outcome from COVID, though, so some behavior modification could be justifiable based on risk tolerance.