If you change the age group to the youngest possible, there are times where those dying that are vaccinated actually surpasses those that are unvaccinated. The difference is so low though that I don't understand how it would make sense to vaccinate those under 12. I remember at the onset of COVID-19 that they tried so hard to make everyone scared to death (literally) that they would push videos of people dying in the streets saying it was COVID-19 causing it.
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#12I mean can we just get over this already? I feel like the more effort that we spend trying to prove that vaccines work, the more merit the anti-vax movement gains. Can we just ignore those people or simply just laugh at them and move on?
If you would look at what is going on in Europe right now, antivaxxers can't be ignored. They are causing huge issues at the moment, like parts of Germany and Austria are fucked from a hospital point of view.
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#13I'd be genuinely interested if they would provide the death rate for recovered individuals too, as that is something that gets discussed often.
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#14I mean can we just get over this already? I feel like the more effort that we spend trying to prove that vaccines work, the more merit the anti-vax movement gains. Can we just ignore those people or simply just laugh at them and move on?
Agreed, convincing people who think the entire thing is orchestrated by dark forces is pointless.
At this point, what I'd like to see:
a) accept natural immunity alongside vaccination status, probably need some kind of antibody count test for that to work
b) "incentives" for vaccinated population, e.g. 90% discount on COVID treatments while unvaccinated pay full price
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#15I mean can we just get over this already? I feel like the more effort that we spend trying to prove that vaccines work, the more merit the anti-vax movement gains. Can we just ignore those people or simply just laugh at them and move on?
We can't move on when a substantial part of the population remains unvaccinated. With hospitals in the brink of collapse, there would be no return to normality any time soon.
Brutally (and to your point in a backwards way, because I think your point is valid), history shows humanity moved on before vaccines existed, and we're here to talk about moving on or not.
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#16I mean can we just get over this already? I feel like the more effort that we spend trying to prove that vaccines work, the more merit the anti-vax movement gains. Can we just ignore those people or simply just laugh at them and move on?
We can't move on when a substantial part of the population remains unvaccinated. With hospitals in the brink of collapse, there would be no return to normality any time soon.
> when a substantial part of the population remains unvaccinated
It's a vanishing minority of crazies. 99.9% of over 65-year olds have had one jab; 80% of those over 12 [1]. Close to a fifth of the population has had their booster.
This debate is over. The people who are left will either be nudged by mandates or self-isolate from areas of dense population or economic activity, which automatically reduces their risk to the public.
[1] https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-...
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#17Wow how come the US death rate amongst the unvaccinated is so much higher? It's peaking at 18%. Is that where we would be if there was no vaccine? It would also help to see some data on vaccine effectiveness against long covid. Edit: I need to learn to read more carefully. As others have pointed out it 18/100000. My panic is over.
Not 18%. 18 out of 100,000.
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#18If you change the age group to the youngest possible, there are times where those dying that are vaccinated actually surpasses those that are unvaccinated. The difference is so low though that I don't understand how it would make sense to vaccinate those under 12. I remember at the onset of COVID-19 that they tried so hard to make everyone scared to death (literally) that they would push videos of people dying in the…
A friend of mine is concerned about the life long impacts covid may have on his children. He really wants them to be vaccinated to prevent any of the long term effects.
I'm not sure what data there is on children and long term covid impacts?
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#19Why is the death rate in the US plummeting among the unvaccinated? Is it just less spread all around?
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
We can't move on when a substantial part of the population remains unvaccinated. With hospitals in the brink of collapse, there would be no return to normality any time soon.
Well then make it a law. No amount of reasoning will change these people's mind. The only anti-vax people I've seen get vaccinated are the ones who lost a close one, and even that does not always work, let alone some data viz.
yesterday I was in line to get my booster and I overheard an unvaccinated person get their first dose because their job offer was about to be rescinded.
So, in addition to losing loved ones I think mandates do work. Putting it into law, like you suggest is harder, but giving companies green light for mandates is easier and does have some noticeable effect.