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Overloaded: Is there simply too much culture?

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Re: Overloaded: Is there simply too much culture?

#51

This reminds me of a Douglas Adams quote - although he was talking about technology, it seems appropriate here also :) “I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies: 1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting an…

Related to this, I wonder how the average age of HN readership has changed over time. My guess is it has shifted towards an older audience continually since the beginning. To that end what new things are "against the order of things" today.

I definitely see a change in me with age - when I was young I assumed everything newer is better by default and even disregarded evidence that newer is worse. Change for the sake of change was fun for me even if it was a regression at the end. I've tried as much of new software/technologies as I could and it helped me to become a professional but I would not trust a younger self to make business decisions - I would waste too much money on playing with new stuff.

I still open to new things I just more critical and skeptical - I want some evidence that the change will be positive.

> My guess is it has shifted towards an older audience continually since the beginning. To that end what new things are "against the order of things" today.

May be it has shifted but it seems to me NH audience on average still younger than me and more excited about new stuff.

Re: Overloaded: Is there simply too much culture?

#52

There’s always been a lot of cultural stuff, but the key difference is the reduction of shared culture. 30-50 years ago if you wanted to read enough to contextualise The Waste Land [1] it would require a massive amount of ‘high culture’ from earlier centuries (and not just in English). Nowadays it would still be a huge amount of work though perhaps would not require trips to obscure German libraries. But 30-50 years…

> The lack of shared culture[2] today means people have less in common. It seems to me that having less in common with people makes them more distant and that there could be negative effects of that.

This is something that we need to adapt to, and I think it's quite possible to adapt to it.

For example, when I was a teenager, a good chunk of my friends and schoolmates listened to the same bands as I did, or at least there was a substantial overlap. I was much too young for the heyday of MTV, but the big names pushed by the record companies were still ones everyone knew and had opinions about, and only occasionally would we introduce each other to our personal discoveries.

Nowadays, with the friends I've made over the past few years, there's usually little or no overlap. So the inevitable 'what kind of music do you listen to?' has changed from 'oh, I like X too! / I don't like X because Y' to a different exercise where you need to communicate why you're really into a certain ukulele youtuber or a Chinese operetta or a Brazilian hip-hop subgenre, to someone who's never heard of them. And then listening and asking interesting questions when they do the same for their favourites.

The rare times you do find some overlaps become pleasant surprises - one of my best friends is into blackgaze and ambient, I'm a folk- and metal-head, and finding out that we had a few experimental/avantgarde bands like Unexpect and Deathspell Omega in both our playlists was delightful when we first met.

Re: Overloaded: Is there simply too much culture?

#53
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can dissect the western claim and find problems with it, you always can with any generalization. Or you can find it accurate enough as westerners have the time and money to spend on entertainment compared to the rest of the world. Suggestion for nitpicking: tell me about Japan.

You're gaslighting. A complete falsehood generated by your imagination is not "accurate enough" for any situation, and crying "nitpick" doesn't magically make you correct about anything.

I did not say it is only the west that does this and the article itself was focused on western "culture". By no means do I wish to aggravate anyone.

Re: Overloaded: Is there simply too much culture?

#54

This reminds me of a Douglas Adams quote - although he was talking about technology, it seems appropriate here also :) “I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies: 1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting an…

This does feel like my opinion on NFTs / Cryptocoins.

Extend the idea of NFTs to actual registered ownership of a thing you care about, like the title of your house, or your rental agreement, rather than a fucking pixelated jpg a child would be ashamed of, and it might look like something a bit more representative of a worthwhile future.

Re: Overloaded: Is there simply too much culture?

#55
post #16

How one can misspell "entertainment" as "culture"? And the answer is clearly yes, the west consumes too much of it. The stress leads to distraction gluttony which leads to detachment from the real life which leads to stress as one can hardly navigate efficiently the social hive when his mental picture of it is taken from movies, shows, social media, etc.

How can one not include entertainment into culture? The word "culture" always had two meanings, a. what people in some collective do and b. "high culture", the stuff that is somehow supposed to reflect on human condition.

> "high culture", the stuff that is somehow supposed to reflect on human condition.

"High culture" is first and foremost about marketing. Many people care more about things that are marketed as too good for the average man, and products marketed for that group is called "high culture", the name is a part of the marketing.

It is similar to the difference between cheap wine and fine wine, people don't notice a difference until you tell them one is more expensive than the other and then suddenly people start noticing a huge difference.

Re: Overloaded: Is there simply too much culture?

#56
post #38

Yes, there is too much meaningless culture which is mere entertainment disguised as culture. But this is just a reality of living: All things are wearisome, more than one can say. The eye never has enough of seeing, nor the ear its fill of hearing. What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. Is there anything of which one can say, “Look! This is something ne…

Sure, human motivation probably hasn't changed much, if at all.

Re: Overloaded: Is there simply too much culture?

#57
I don't really think there's too much culture.

We just live in an era where culture is more widely and easily available than ever before.

What's more, since there are many more folks who are able to access more stuff, there's more stuff being produced to capitalize on that as well.

And yes, crappy reality TV is culture. As is any creative or interactive endeavor.

But, as has been the case pretty much forever, Sturgeon's Law[0] applies to all that culture too.

For those of you who don't know (welcome to today's 10,000[1]!) and are too lazy to copy paste the link below, Sturgeon's Law states that:

   90% of everything is crap.
 
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law

[1] https://xkcd.com/1053/

Re: Overloaded: Is there simply too much culture?

#58
post #4

It's just one of the costs of individualism. With so much to consume, instant personal choice, and no consistent conduit, there is little chance we have all seen the same stuff. A way around it is explicitly discussing the issue with mates. I keep some close friends who keep in close parity because we all understand that if we don't all play the same game we will end up playing nothing together. Rando internet friend…

What do you mean by individualism in this context?

Re: Overloaded: Is there simply too much culture?

#59
The Guardian aims at a particular kind of person who essentially spends their entire life in artistic theory and not the real world. They derive their worth from being able to quote at each other.

For those people I'm sure it does feel like an enormous struggle.

If you watch for enjoyment rather than as an attempt at gaining social cachet then it's fine.

Re: Overloaded: Is there simply too much culture?

#60
All the stuff from before you were born is curated for you by society. It's pre-filtered, the cruft has been removed and for the first few years of your life you have no control over the filter.

Then, as agency is attained, you get increasing exposure to the great unfiltered, and you find hidden treasure and trash and you learn what you actually like and dislike - in preparation for the filter you apply to your own children - which helps to define you, to yourself.

Then you get a job, partner, mortgage / rent, kids, and, just the requirements to being able to afford all that goes with that, removes the time required for 'agency' and so you're locked in a fairly tight decade-era of culture for the rest of your life unless you actively choose otherwise; seeking out the alternative, following rabbit holes, opening yourself to the full spectrum of colour that is within surprisingly easy reach, following threads that your natural tendency for the easy path would be to drop.

Most of my favourite music that I listen to now is recent. My old favourites are from when I hadn't heard my new favourites. Some of my new favourites are contextual around life stages and activities I hadn't reached or participated in earlier.

I missed Mad Men, tried to start it a couple of years ago, realised it's 92 hour-long episodes, and worked out that I didn't have the enthusiasm for it after getting through a few episodes because the combination of my friend-base and entertainment value I was getting from it didn't add up to being worth 92 hours of my time.

Recently watched Berserk upon the recommendation of a work colleague. Worth it.

Squid game, worth it. For me anyway.

Live action Cowboy Bebop, enjoying it a couple of episodes in, will continue.

Know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em. But first, you gotta know yourself.

Listen to music you don't like to better calibrate what you do like. Watch the occasional blockbuster movie to help your appreciation for real film.

Can't see, hear, taste, or do it all, find your own channel but make sure to rub up against the edges regularly enough to determine if you need to change channels but didn't realise it yet.

Culture is about stories from which life lessons are learnt, and there are a lot more TV shows, movies, and songs than there are life lessons, so as long as you check those edges occasionally, you'll be pretty well covered.

The Wire destroyed and rebuilt my view of the world, and work, and government, and leadership and morality. The song King Kong as covered by Tom Waits recalibrated my musical brain (which was already uniquely calibrated by Mr. Bungle in the late 90's), The Mighty Boosh and Rick and Morty have been journeys into imagination like I never dreamed.

No. There's not too much culture.

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