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Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by najtdale »

emptycan wrote: post #726
whimsicalism wrote: post #206

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Yeah it's comical because Linux has so obviously driven a lot of people away from kernel development. Tech is male-skewed, and OSS more so, but Linux kernel dev is even then still at the far end of the gender disparity spectrum.

> Yeah it's comical because Linux has so obviously driven a lot of people away from kernel development. I hear this "a lot" very often, but then it seems to be from people who have no real interest in technical work of kernel/OS core development. Linux is not the only way to scratch your itch for interest in low-level system dev. Like, this is just personal experience, but I have heard this on the order of 50-100 tim…

Agree completly. I would add that not just they are not interested...they have nowhere near enough skills to do anything in the kernel / os development space

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #771
omegaworks wrote: post #743

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"Framing" is irrelevant to my statement. I provided concrete evidence of the two mainstream political parties doing exactly what I said they were doing. How a particular slogan like "defund the police" polls is not relevant to the impact of moving $193 billion annual local dollars of police funding to better structured, community-centered alternatives. Conflating evidence-based policy goals and research with how peop…

> I provided concrete evidence of the two mainstream political parties doing exactly what I said they were doing. Your first article (from Buzzfeed of all places) didn't demonstrate a white nationalist agenda, and if you think the second article supports your point (that Biden is content with whatever white nationalism exists within the Republican party) then I'm not sure we read the same article. The article I read…

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Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by [deleted] »

pc86 wrote: post #693
radlad wrote: post #536

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> I mean they certainly have a partisan stance re: prisons and incarceration. I did not realize that providing counsel to inmates was a partisan issue. > But whatever it is and whatever your opinion of it, it's hard to make a cogent argument that it belongs as a banner on the front page of a programming language website. This is unrelated to my comment.

Unrelated to your comment maybe, but not the thread. It's certainly germane whether your choose to acknowledge it or not. I'm clearly not referring to "providing counsel" and it takes only 10-15 seconds of reading their homepage to see policy positions that any reasonable person could consider partisan. But nice straw man. Let me know when you're interested in an actual discussion and not this nonsense.

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Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by da39a3ee »

So, basically, it seems that the most common speculation is the following:

While one might have suspected that the Rust moderation team were people with "progressive/SJW" leanings themselves, in fact what happened is that someone on the core team with radical "progressive/SJW" leanings violated the relevant codes of conduct sufficiently that when the core team denied the moderation team their right to take action against the infringer, the moderation team were so pissed off that they resigned.

In light of that it's tempting to wonder whether it's a bit of a sign of the times -- after the last few years of increasingly absurd and ascendant progressive positioning, the adults in the world finally not being able to take the nonsense from progressives any longer and putting their feet down.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by samcal »

teakettle42 wrote: post #715
nabakin wrote: post #579

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Thanks for your contribution burntsushi. I'm sorry it has come to this.

Thanking the political commissars? I’m glad to see them resign, and I hope open source can ultimately route around the unearned power grab that the “CoC” movement represents.

I actually disagree with 2 parts of your premise

1. I don't think we're actually talking about that much power, in most instances the issues amount to "not behaving professionally in an environment that wants to have a professional character"

2. What would it need to be for you to consider what power it gives as "earned"? I'm surprised since it seems that power being explicitly delegated by the project should be enough by any measure.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by dathinab »

stillicidious wrote: post #778
dathinab wrote: post #446

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> hire Not hired, but voluntary. > moderation team in the first place Because a community of any larger size needs moderation (small communities tend to self moderate, larger communities without any form of moderation are at serve risk of becoming toxic and/or unwelcoming places). > OSS version of HR Oversimplified it's a Team which steps in when the Code of Conduct is (potentially) violated to moderate (i.e. resolve…

> it's a Team which steps in when the Code of Conduct is (potentially) violated to moderate (i.e. resolve) the situation with the goal of keeping the community open, friendly and well coming And how would you describe HR?

Department responsible for managing employees?

The difference is the moderation Team does only moderation.

But HR does all kinds of things, which often (but not always) includes moderation.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by budabudimir »

Does anybody actually care about the moderation team anyway? CoC is also just set of guidelines that people abide by anyway in most situations, but doesn't prevent anybody from being an asshole. When somebody is an asshole, random set of people can't really do anything about it.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by whimsicalism »

najtdale wrote: post #781
emptycan wrote: post #726

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> Yeah it's comical because Linux has so obviously driven a lot of people away from kernel development. I hear this "a lot" very often, but then it seems to be from people who have no real interest in technical work of kernel/OS core development. Linux is not the only way to scratch your itch for interest in low-level system dev. Like, this is just personal experience, but I have heard this on the order of 50-100 tim…

Agree completly. I would add that not just they are not interested...they have nowhere near enough skills to do anything in the kernel / os development space

You know nothing about me and are just making wild inference and conjecture.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by vegai_ »

simion314 wrote: post #96
throwawaygh wrote: post #47

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I'm generally in favor of enforcing high-level "behave professionally" norms in OSS communities. And not as a new phenomenon, either. I've been kick-banning disruptive people from IRC channels for several decades, I've run forums where I appointed mods, and I've always avoided participating in completely unmoderated communities beyond N=20 or so (not worth the headache). But for some reason, the formalization of cond…

>But for some reason, the formalization of conduct enforcement stuff around OSS projects still feels weird, off-putting, and very "Corporate HR"-y to me. But if a community already approved such rules is it OK that those would not apply equally for all? Before joining a new community I always check and see if there is a lot of toxicity or just low effort contributions and I am avoiding those, it would suck to join a…

HR rules don't typically apply to executives even when it's stated that they apply to executives.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by [deleted] »

nwsm wrote: post #654
xtracto wrote: post #550

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Right, and Ruby has had Matz, Python had Guido and to a certain degree PHP had Rasmus. As soon as you have more than one captain in the ship, politics and drama seems unavoidable.

I think the case of Rust is a bit unique with heavy interest in the future of the language from powerful companies [0]. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28513130

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