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Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by znpy »

neysofu wrote: post #388
znpy wrote: post #115

Some months ago somebody else was complaining about the fact that most of the rust core team was being hired by big corps (mostly Amazon iirc). In my opinion these people resigning will have the effect of just making core team's life (read: Amazon's and other big corps' life) easier in doing whatever they want.

Not a single member of the Rust Core team is currently employed by Amazon IIRC, you're probably thinking about the lang/compiler folks.

I was talking about this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28513130

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by skinkestek »

andrelaszlo wrote: post #540
mlindner wrote: post #492

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ashley Williams is maybe one of the causes of this as she's on the core team and has said horrible CoC violating things in the past (but it was for a different CoC).

I know very little about the Rust community or who Ashley Williams is, but since what you're suggesting sounds pretty serious - perhaps you could be more specific? > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

You can use the search field on the bottom of the page here on HN.

Seems like she's pretty well known for saying things that others wouldn't get away with, and there is lots of evidence for it.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by johnisgood »

eropple wrote: post #604
thegrimmest wrote: post #549

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Yes. People make themselves angry, people choose to take offense. The reasonable thing to do is not allow yourself to be provoked to upset or anger by someone else's communication. People you disagree with are easy to ignore, even if you find their opinions loathsome.

"Just ignore people seeking to harm you specifically and severally" has historically been poor practice. And it's almost always advocated by people who have the upper hand in their own exchanges. Which is fascinating, isn't it?

I cannot remember the last time I got offended by an insult. A little bit of stoicism goes a long way. It is up to you whether or not you get offended by an insult. I typically choose self-deprecating humor as a response to insults instead of wasting my energy getting angry.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by junon »

dbt00 wrote: post #622
Angius wrote: post #594

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This person being a prominent part of the Rust community definitely does not make me want to engage with it and does make me wary of the stability of the language as well: https://archive.fo/f10KK

She's not?

She definitely is part of Rust Core. Check her github profile bio.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by crate_barre »

cycomanic wrote: post #245
crate_barre wrote: post #65

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Without knowing details, I can say from experience that those who feel they are the most righteous are often the most wrong. I’ve been on both sides of this. If this has to be aired publicly, then we need to be able to objectively assess. Otherwise, I’m reading this as ‘we don’t get along with those guys and gals on the core team and vice versa’, which is, fine, it’s just humans not getting along. Which reminds me, I…

Not really, the mod-teams grievance is with the structure (and accountability) of the rust organisation (in particular the core-team). Likely they were triggered by a specific instance, but we can assess the problems with accountability, e.g. the power of the core-team to ignore rules that apply to everyone else quite objectively by looking at the power structures of the organisation. I think if you want to highlight…

So get into the specifics of every instance. Trust me, the world is bored, we’ll be judge and jury on this.

Don’t be half assed about it. Ya’ll wanna air it out, air it out.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by junon »

kzrdude wrote: post #454
lovecg wrote: post #49

Why does a language need a “moderation team”? C++ seems to do fine without one.

C++ does also not have a compiler team nor any C++ day-to-day development team.

Sure it does, just not one centralized one. LLVM and GCC are very actively maintained and both main teams have many active C++ committee members. Unless you want to split hairs and argue semantics, they are the closest thing to a day-to-day development team and are quite underappreciated if you ask me.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by OOPMan »

cjaybo wrote: post #314
whimsicalism wrote: post #194

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Oh, I think they are not as rare as you think. People are actively deterred from, say, Linux kernel development because of the community.

Yet the kernel is one of the most successful OSS projects of all time. I'm not sure it makes your point very well.

Turns out asshole can make good software!

It's almost as though software development skills aren't correlated with social skills...

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by johnisgood »

rhn_mk1 wrote: post #696
thegrimmest wrote: post #549

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Yes. People make themselves angry, people choose to take offense. The reasonable thing to do is not allow yourself to be provoked to upset or anger by someone else's communication. People you disagree with are easy to ignore, even if you find their opinions loathsome.

I can understand this reasoning when it comes to personal insults. I understand it less when it comes to tolerating baiting, which takes time and attention from the original reason (work, fun, etc.) of the social space. Why is being offended by not being able to communicate unreasonable? I'm also interested in your take in the kind of communication that's intended to falsely undermine your reputation. I guess it's si…

> intended to falsely undermine your reputation

I did not know that insults are capable of doing that. If the insult is based on something accurate, then what is wrong with it? Just realize it is based on reality and improve. If it is not accurate, then why give a damn?

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by OOPMan »

the_only_law wrote: post #611
chubot wrote: post #378

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Rich Hickey specifically said that some Lisp groups were extraordinarily toxic, and it's something he wanted to avoid in Clojure. (I think it was in his HOPL talk). Also, I would say that help-bash@ and the bash IRC channel are pretty toxic. By "toxic" I mean that there's just a general culture of negativity, insults, hazing, and assuming the worst. There's definitely a thing where computer nerds try to one-up each o…

> Rich Hickey specifically said that some Lisp groups were extraordinarily toxic This is an interesting topic I try to stay away from here, for obvious reasons, but so many lisp communities I’ve seen seem to form around these cult of personalities or have the most, err.. eccentric members. More so than any language I’ve seen. People like to joke about Haskell programmers being cult like, but I’ve been down some reall…

Well, as the saying goes...it takes one to know one ;-)

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by [deleted] »

torstenvl wrote: post #310
mumblemumble wrote: post #299

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Protecting people's privacy is a fundamental principle of justice, too. It's extremely common for court records in cases regarding people's conduct to be sealed. Forcing people to air all their dirty laundry in public, as the Puritans did, is not just, and tends to severely limit already-marginalized people's access to justice.

I have been a lawyer for over a decade. In exactly one case that I've ever litigated or supervised has any of the evidence been placed under seal. What jurisdiction do you practice in, that you're seeing this so commonly?

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