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Apple has a new work-from-home policy, but it’s still not what employees want

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Re: Apple has a new work-from-home policy, but it’s still not what employees want

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It's going to be a problem hard to resolved. It can be seen as a perk for a company to offer the possibility of remote work like bonuses or free coffee. The thing is, some people actually hate telework and would rather impose everyone to be present because this is how they feel the most efficient or because it is just how they like to work. So contrary to the traditional employer/employees balance of power, there is…

We currently have something very similar to Apple's proposed policy (~2 days in the office per week, several weeks remote work per year). Some like it and will work from home as much as they can, others will come to the office but don't mind the flexibility. What was interesting was comments from an anonymous poll. A couple of people said they didn't like the policy since it meant they ended up caring for young child…

This sounds entirely like a personal relationship problem. Funny to see it come up in a company survey.

Re: Apple has a new work-from-home policy, but it’s still not what employees want

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The greatest advantages of remote work are that it removes many of the downsides of a bad work environment: * No commute (not the employers fault really) * You can zone out in irrelevant meetings. * Sit down during stand-ups. * Soft 'intimidation' does not work well over the phone * No open office noise etc. Since I changed job from a chaotic place with 50min commute each way, to a tidy job within walking distance, t…

Adding two very important things for me personally: - a bathroom where I have true privacy and not someone waiting on me or able to perceive me with their senses - not having to deal with the smell of others or worry about my own

I’ve always chosen jobs where I live within a comfortable “shit radius” and can drive home when needed. There is simply no way I could ever use a public toilet. My girlfriend finds it hilarious that I come home to take a dump, but I simply can’t go in public.

Re: Apple has a new work-from-home policy, but it’s still not what employees want

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It's funny how these big companies try so hard to make their office space as "cool" as possible and think employees enjoy them but the moment they are given the choice to work remotely almost nobody wants to go back to office, at least not on a daily basis..

> ... almost nobody wants to go back to office, at least not on a daily basis.. Last I checked, that's not really true for any of those companies. Where did you pick up the "almost nobody" part?

They mean almost nobody on the online echo chambers they frequent

Re: Apple has a new work-from-home policy, but it’s still not what employees want

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It's funny how these big companies try so hard to make their office space as "cool" as possible and think employees enjoy them but the moment they are given the choice to work remotely almost nobody wants to go back to office, at least not on a daily basis..

Almost no one? Based on what?

Most people where I work are not going in to the office every day, but it cannot be inferred that it is because they don’t want to.

The thought of permanent WFH, with your job occupying a corner of your 600 sq ft apartment in perpetuity, is demoralising. Just having the option of a change of scenery, even if one doesn’t make use of it every day or even once in a given week, makes a huge difference.

In my opinion the pushing of permanent WFH by a certain privileged set is an obnoxious display of housing privilege. Of course that group has a big house in the countryside among the birds and the trees, where they don’t have to deal with neighbours, traffic noise, or other distractions. But that doesn’t entitle them to make those decisions or project their opinions onto the rest of us.

Re: Apple has a new work-from-home policy, but it’s still not what employees want

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It's going to be a problem hard to resolved. It can be seen as a perk for a company to offer the possibility of remote work like bonuses or free coffee. The thing is, some people actually hate telework and would rather impose everyone to be present because this is how they feel the most efficient or because it is just how they like to work. So contrary to the traditional employer/employees balance of power, there is…

I only prefer working remotely as an alternative to an office with open-air seating. Give me an office with a window and a door, and I would quite willingly work from an office. My employer has, for over a decade, refused to build anything but open-air seating. So everything thinks I prefer to work remotely, because their own feelings taint their perceptions of my actions, but they don't ask my actual motivations and…

I'm reminded of an old bit by Joel Spolsky of Stack Overflow, where he outlines — in extreme detail — his designs for the old Fog Creek offices. It's very clear that he put more thought into these designs than the work that most interior architects I've encountered have bothered to perform.

https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2003/09/24/bionic-office/

https://stackoverflow.blog/2015/01/16/why-we-still-believe-i...

(remarkable that cubicles used to be our idea of office hell, and now just seem like an unimaginable amount of personal space)

Re: Apple has a new work-from-home policy, but it’s still not what employees want

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Apple is a company that values loyalty in its employees. This is just a good way for them to weed out some of the disloyal. At the end of the day, there are so many people who want to work for Apple that I don't think it will be a big problem for them.

"You want loyalty? Get a dog."

Seriously, employers who start with that "loyalty" thing... eeeuwhh... just run. Away. It's a business relationship, not family nor friends. The loyalty you'll get from an employer... doesn't exist. Why should they anticipate any from us?

BTW, that opening line above... I once quoted it directly to my manager during the 6-month assessment interview. Need I mention that my increase/bonus was a little lean that year. :O

Re: Apple has a new work-from-home policy, but it’s still not what employees want

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It's funny how these big companies try so hard to make their office space as "cool" as possible and think employees enjoy them but the moment they are given the choice to work remotely almost nobody wants to go back to office, at least not on a daily basis..

We opened applications for full-remote status; the uptake was something like 5%. Almost nobody minds the office enough to fill out an HR JIRA.

Maybe that says something about JIRA?

Re: Apple has a new work-from-home policy, but it’s still not what employees want

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It's going to be a problem hard to resolved. It can be seen as a perk for a company to offer the possibility of remote work like bonuses or free coffee. The thing is, some people actually hate telework and would rather impose everyone to be present because this is how they feel the most efficient or because it is just how they like to work. So contrary to the traditional employer/employees balance of power, there is…

The greatest advantages of remote work are that it removes many of the downsides of a bad work environment: * No commute (not the employers fault really) * You can zone out in irrelevant meetings. * Sit down during stand-ups. * Soft 'intimidation' does not work well over the phone * No open office noise etc. Since I changed job from a chaotic place with 50min commute each way, to a tidy job within walking distance, t…

Also, better food

Also, easier to coordinate home and personal projects and matters incl healthcare.

But, no kids/etc vying for your attention

But, more reliable internet

But, easier work-life separation (for some people+companies)

Re: Apple has a new work-from-home policy, but it’s still not what employees want

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It's going to be a problem hard to resolved. It can be seen as a perk for a company to offer the possibility of remote work like bonuses or free coffee. The thing is, some people actually hate telework and would rather impose everyone to be present because this is how they feel the most efficient or because it is just how they like to work. So contrary to the traditional employer/employees balance of power, there is…

I only prefer working remotely as an alternative to an office with open-air seating. Give me an office with a window and a door, and I would quite willingly work from an office. My employer has, for over a decade, refused to build anything but open-air seating. So everything thinks I prefer to work remotely, because their own feelings taint their perceptions of my actions, but they don't ask my actual motivations and…

In my 23 year career, I’ve gone from having my own office room, to office room with a nice view, to shared with 1 other person, to a cubicle, then a bullpen.

We’re not going in the right direction.

If I wasn’t working remote, I’d have a worse office environment than when I was a 16-year-old kid doing IT for a mom-and-pop.

Re: Apple has a new work-from-home policy, but it’s still not what employees want

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It's funny how these big companies try so hard to make their office space as "cool" as possible and think employees enjoy them but the moment they are given the choice to work remotely almost nobody wants to go back to office, at least not on a daily basis..

We opened applications for full-remote status; the uptake was something like 5%. Almost nobody minds the office enough to fill out an HR JIRA.

Who are "we"?
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