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Apple has a new work-from-home policy, but it’s still not what employees want

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Re: Apple has a new work-from-home policy, but it’s still not what employees want

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It's funny how these big companies try so hard to make their office space as "cool" as possible and think employees enjoy them but the moment they are given the choice to work remotely almost nobody wants to go back to office, at least not on a daily basis..

We opened applications for full-remote status; the uptake was something like 5%. Almost nobody minds the office enough to fill out an HR JIRA.

Re: Apple has a new work-from-home policy, but it’s still not what employees want

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Google, Amazon, and lots of other companies are in the same stance as Apple. Deep down, I think the issue goes past working flexibility down to a multi-billion dollar financial question of what do these companies do with their real estate assets? They've already built or bought gigantic office buildings and campuses across the US, so what do they do with them? Turn them into warehouses? Just let them sit at Idk what…

I'm sure real estate is part of the equation, though I doubt it really has much to do with the overall push to office.

The real reason at the end of the day is sociopath managers/execs. They see work from home as freedom and office as control. I've had C levels tell me straight up they don't care if it is more efficient to work at home. They would rather be able to scream at someone if something is wrong, they would rather have 10 people sitting around getting paid for nothing so they can storm in and round them up for some random project. They simply are not interested in putting together a well though out plan and sending it to everyone. In most of the world the people in charge are not in place because of competence or successful harmony of efficient work. They simply are looking out for themselves more viciously than other people did and now they are in charge.

Re: Apple has a new work-from-home policy, but it’s still not what employees want

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Unless you have a very desirable and unique skill set I think it's naive to think you're going to eventually win, they didn't build that gigantic HQ for it to remain empty and the waste of money that is your empty desk in the donut will be pinned on you not sitting at it not them for building it. Not saying I agree with it, but I think this is one area of Apples culture that is going to go against the tide.

Remote work could also be considered a significant cost cutting measure and one that, given to a startup, could result in a significant advantage. Startups don't hire juniors, so that's where I see this becoming more of a thing. All of those seniors out there that may never have considered remote work, why would they, they're paid great and live comfortably, now have a taste for remote work and are adjusting their spreadsheets to see how soon they could afford retirement etc etc.

Investors have a major say in how the money is spent. All of a sudden, remote is where that exciting startup experience is, where the kids want to go. Sure, fly everybody together once or twice a year, far cheaper than an office.

Re: Apple has a new work-from-home policy, but it’s still not what employees want

#24

It's funny how these big companies try so hard to make their office space as "cool" as possible and think employees enjoy them but the moment they are given the choice to work remotely almost nobody wants to go back to office, at least not on a daily basis..

I interviewed at google (not googleplex but one of their other very fancy offices that spans multiple stories of an expensive skyscraper). The office seemed great as did all the amenities. But it was an hour's commute in each direction and if I had to work there I'd have worked from home as often as I could.

Re: Apple has a new work-from-home policy, but it’s still not what employees want

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We currently have something very similar to Apple's proposed policy (~2 days in the office per week, several weeks remote work per year). Some like it and will work from home as much as they can, others will come to the office but don't mind the flexibility. What was interesting was comments from an anonymous poll. A couple of people said they didn't like the policy since it meant they ended up caring for young child…

Not sure I get it - why would working from home mean that you need to look after the children more? You can still use whatever other childcare arrangements you were using before, exactly as if you were in an office.

This, plus if your partner is dumping things on you because you're free, that's a partner communication issue, not a WFH issue.

Re: Apple has a new work-from-home policy, but it’s still not what employees want

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Apple is a company that values loyalty in its employees. This is just a good way for them to weed out some of the disloyal. At the end of the day, there are so many people who want to work for Apple that I don't think it will be a big problem for them.

Loyalty doesn't build or design good products

As is plain to see :P

Re: Apple has a new work-from-home policy, but it’s still not what employees want

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It's going to be a problem hard to resolved. It can be seen as a perk for a company to offer the possibility of remote work like bonuses or free coffee. The thing is, some people actually hate telework and would rather impose everyone to be present because this is how they feel the most efficient or because it is just how they like to work. So contrary to the traditional employer/employees balance of power, there is…

The greatest advantages of remote work are that it removes many of the downsides of a bad work environment: * No commute (not the employers fault really) * You can zone out in irrelevant meetings. * Sit down during stand-ups. * Soft 'intimidation' does not work well over the phone * No open office noise etc. Since I changed job from a chaotic place with 50min commute each way, to a tidy job within walking distance, t…

The greatest advantage is that you can get other things done around the house (or beyond the house) between productivity stints. Even a short walk from the office tends to create a barrier to that.

Re: Apple has a new work-from-home policy, but it’s still not what employees want

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post #2

It's going to be a problem hard to resolved. It can be seen as a perk for a company to offer the possibility of remote work like bonuses or free coffee. The thing is, some people actually hate telework and would rather impose everyone to be present because this is how they feel the most efficient or because it is just how they like to work. So contrary to the traditional employer/employees balance of power, there is…

The greatest advantages of remote work are that it removes many of the downsides of a bad work environment: * No commute (not the employers fault really) * You can zone out in irrelevant meetings. * Sit down during stand-ups. * Soft 'intimidation' does not work well over the phone * No open office noise etc. Since I changed job from a chaotic place with 50min commute each way, to a tidy job within walking distance, t…

Adding two very important things for me personally:

- a bathroom where I have true privacy and not someone waiting on me or able to perceive me with their senses

- not having to deal with the smell of others or worry about my own

Re: Apple has a new work-from-home policy, but it’s still not what employees want

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure I get it - why would working from home mean that you need to look after the children more? You can still use whatever other childcare arrangements you were using before, exactly as if you were in an office.

This, plus if your partner is dumping things on you because you're free, that's a partner communication issue, not a WFH issue.

If your partner has to take unpaid leave you might both agree that it's better for you to care for the sick child. But you're still stuck with it.

Re: Apple has a new work-from-home policy, but it’s still not what employees want

#30

It's funny how these big companies try so hard to make their office space as "cool" as possible and think employees enjoy them but the moment they are given the choice to work remotely almost nobody wants to go back to office, at least not on a daily basis..

> ... almost nobody wants to go back to office, at least not on a daily basis..

Last I checked, that's not really true for any of those companies. Where did you pick up the "almost nobody" part?

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