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Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by juancb »

torstenvl wrote: post #190
tinco wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The accusation is not vague and it was substantiated. Just not to you. Not to me either, and I think that's a good thing for now. No doubt whoever steps up to become the next mod team will be fully informed by both sides, and hopefully they can make an objective decision about what should and what should not be public. It is probably none of our business anyway. And it's not a claim that everything they would say wou…

An accusation substantiated in secret is not an accusation substantiated. This is a fundamental principle of justice, dating back centuries.

Your argument is flawed since some amount of secrecy/discretion in judicial proceedings is allowed and necessary. For examples look to investigators and DAs who refuse to provide details for ongoing investigations, and closed proceedings.

More importantly this is a problem in a private organization and not a public entity or court proceeding.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by capableweb »

papreclip wrote: post #435

>"In this message, we have avoided airing specific grievances beyond unaccountability. We've chosen to maintain discretion and confidentiality. We recommend that the broader Rust community and the future Mod Team exercise extreme skepticism of any statements by the Core Team (or members thereof) claiming to illuminate the situation." I guess these are the juicy details they are choosing to omit - https://archive.fo/f…

That happen 2017, one could assume the ex moderation team was already aware who people in the organization are/were at that point.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by delusional »

gdy wrote: post #238
delusional wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're neither the judge not the jury. They aren't trying to make the case to you. The case has (it seems) been made and resolved elsewhere. This is just a public statement saying they do not accept the resolution and therefore resign.

"just a public statement saying they do not accept the resolution and therefore resign" The statement is much more than that.

Is it? How would you respond if you were asked to take on a responsibility that you didn't have the authority to uphold? I think this is very sober and professional.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by dang »

q1w2 wrote: post #92

Is there any tech consequence to this immature drama? I'm confused as to whether I should care or not. If there are consequences on the tech, people need to spell that out. Right now this all seems like some middle-school playground emotional drama. I'm too old to care about that.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29307395.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by mlindner »

iamed2 wrote: post #84

There are two statements here regarding things that have happened: > the Core Team placing themselves unaccountable to anyone but themselves > we have been unable to enforce the Rust Code of Conduct to the standards the community expects of us and to the standards we hold ourselves to It's possible that there were CoC violations that they were not able to moderate, that the actions available to them were limited (e.g…

Well this person is on the core team and has said many horrible things in the past and so it's possible this is indicative of the culture of members of the core team. https://archive.md/VEtHu (from 2017)

But this is trying to imply that past crimes are evidence of future crimes, which I'm not a huge fan of, so take it with a grain of salt. But it's a useful data point at least for me.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by throwawaymcxv »

busterarm wrote: post #290
zozbot234 wrote: post #220

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It's not like she would be the first or the only team member with rather controversial political views. As long as these views don't meaningfully impact her work on Rust, why shouldn't she be on the team? Why can't we just learn to be more tolerant of dissenting views?

Also...from the first line of Rust's CoC: We are committed to providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all, regardless of level of experience, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, personal appearance, body size, race, ethnicity, age, religion, nationality, or other similar characteristic. And the first line from the Moderation section of that same document: Remarks that viol…

> If you're a man, I don't see how it would be possible to feel safe or welcome in _any_ association with the Rust community when a prominent Core team member is advocating for you to be killed.

Being a man I don't see how anyone would feel unsafe by a prominent Core team member advocating for all men to be killed.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by canaus »

FeepingCreature wrote: post #396
couchand wrote: post #209

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These "internet activists" you spend so much effort maligning are simply reminding you that there is a human being on the other side of that screen. I'm not inside the Linux developers' world, but from the outside it seems like a much healthier, more vibrant place since Linus realized that he works with human beings.

> These "internet activists" you spend so much effort maligning are simply reminding you that there is a human being on the other side of that screen. Actually, primarily they're reminding me that there's a human being on the other side of the screen watching everything I do in case I fuck up. How this is supposed to make anyone want to participate is a mystery to me. edit: The weird thing to me is that these people…

What is a "fuck up" to you?

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by quacker »

nrabulinski wrote: post #376
zozbot234 wrote: post #309

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They're committing to sharing these reasons with other Rust Team members, though. Just not the broader dev community.

Then don’t make a whole big public announcement about it. As someone from the outside this just reads like a post specifically to generate drama and attention but not giving details as to direct it at anyone in particular.

There's a community of external contributors that deserve (or would appreciate) some notification about it though.
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