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Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by rectang »

MR4D wrote: post #143

Out of curiosity, to whom is the Moderation Team accountable? Seems like they and the Core Team should be accountable to the same oversight board. I don’t know the inner workings of the organization, so apologies if I’m asking a dumb question.

It's an excellent question, and I would like to know as well.

The big question is whether the Moderation Team is formally appointed by the Rust Foundation. If that's the case, or if it becomes the case in the future, then it depends under which governance provisions the team's writ is created. It could be that the team is created by an act of the board of directors, and then either made accountable to the board itself, or to a specific officer or some other entity. The composition of the team could be left to an officer, or it could be that adding a member requires board action. But I'm speculating here.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by Jensson »

zozbot234 wrote: post #220
Jensson wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The core team refused to kick out a misandrist member" would lead to a lot of drama if they said it publicly. If that is why they are quitting then it makes sense that they refused to say anything about it.

It's not like she would be the first or the only team member with rather controversial political views. As long as these views don't meaningfully impact her work on Rust, why shouldn't she be on the team? Why can't we just learn to be more tolerant of dissenting views?

I didn't said that she should get expelled, however since the moderation team cannot do their job to enforce the CoC when such blatant violations goes unpunished it makes sense for them to disband the moderation team. Why have a moderation team if it is just for show?

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by simion314 »

lstodd wrote: post #150
simion314 wrote: post #96

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>But for some reason, the formalization of conduct enforcement stuff around OSS projects still feels weird, off-putting, and very "Corporate HR"-y to me. But if a community already approved such rules is it OK that those would not apply equally for all? Before joining a new community I always check and see if there is a lot of toxicity or just low effort contributions and I am avoiding those, it would suck to join a…

What's "a community" here? If this "moderation team" felt that there is no option but to quit, that means that they were rejected by the community, complete with the "CoC" they tried to enforce. Seems like everything is fine to me.

For me seems they were rejected by the core team, no idea who elected the moderators and who elected the core team , I do not know if Rust is a democracy and works like Debian or is different, I will try to inform myself though.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by foldr »

Jensson wrote: post #223
foldr wrote: post #214

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This seems to be a case of one person who's said some things that pretty much everyone would regard as inappropriate and potentially offensive (probably regardless of where they stand on CoCs or their views regarding identity politics). I see no evidence of a connection between this person and the resignation of the Rust Moderation Team. I'd also add that making white men feel unwelcome in an open source software pro…

If the core team took her side even though she said those inappropriate and offensive things then it makes sense that the Rust Moderation team felt that they couldn't do their job and resigned because of it. Note that she is a part of the core team.

Sure, maybe. But what evidence is there that this is what happened?

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by throwaway894345 »

> You'll never get everyone to settle on the same moral values so it's inevitable that you'll get someone who is unapologetic about some value they hold.

I'm less familiar with Rust community moderation, but as an example of what not to do, I would offer up the Go maintainers' strategy of advertising unrelated, partisan, ideological content on their web pages and then shutting down any kind of critical conversation about it. To be clear (if only so people know what they're downvoting!), I'm an avid Go enthusiast--the language is great and the maintainers are generally good at designing a language; however, I sharply disagree with their approach to managing the community.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by gdy »

delusional wrote: post #229
torstenvl wrote: post #190

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An accusation substantiated in secret is not an accusation substantiated. This is a fundamental principle of justice, dating back centuries.

You're neither the judge not the jury. They aren't trying to make the case to you. The case has (it seems) been made and resolved elsewhere. This is just a public statement saying they do not accept the resolution and therefore resign.

"just a public statement saying they do not accept the resolution and therefore resign"

The statement is much more than that.

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by teddyh »

Shoue wrote: post #173
quotemstr wrote: post #89

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Counterexample: Linux, GCC, Python, and practically the entire free software ecosystem from before the current crazy for hall-monitory-y supervision from above. It is simply demonstrably, factually, clearly not true that a growing community needs the kind of structures that Rust imposed on itself. It really makes me sad that a certain kind of person these days sees some kind of censorious overlord as essential for th…

Linux with Linus, who famously had to change his abusive tone? GCC with Richard Stallman, accused of various kinds of sexual misconduct? Python, which felt it necessary to impose a CoC eventually? Your counter examples are questionable at best.

If “accused” is the worst you could come up with, maybe you shouldn’t spread random accusations so wildly.

Anyway, regarding Richard Stallman and those accusations of “various kinds of sexual misconduct”:

https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/

Re: Rust Moderation Team Resigns

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Post by nopcode »

stackedinserter wrote: post #68
ferdowsi wrote: post #48

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Absolutely, yes. A growing community needs healthy management in order to avoid reputational damage to the core language. There's no shortage of guidance to "stay away from X tech because the community is toxic and non-serious"

Examples? EDIT: it's remarkable that there's none, aside of "someone said something"

I've seen this being said about Elm, OpenBSD, ToxChat
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