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Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by jhgb »

boublepop wrote: post #41
pmcollins wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How Tesla Spends $0 on Advertising: https://www.themarketingish.com/newsletter/tesla-advertising

Saying a company that literally sent a car into space has a zero dollar advertising budget is just a combination of Hollywood accounting and delusion.

Tesla didn't send a car into space. SpaceX did. And since SpaceX needed to send something on the new Falcon Heavy's test flight, and nobody was willing to trust an actual satellite or space probe to it, I wonder how you could even place a budget on it. It was just a glorified mass simulator.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by gameswithgo »

rich_sasha wrote: post #2

I’m sure there will be rotation in the leader place. I’m just glad there are now other brands matching the performance of Teslas. Their marketing and brand image, so popular with many people, are total anathema to me. I’m not in the market now but can’t see myself getting a Tesla.

Nobody is hitting the same range / power / price points as Tesla yet, but they are creeping up on it. Next gen model y may put them ahead some more though.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by judge2020 »

kabes wrote: post #46
NikolaeVarius wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this is how we know article has not been read Very early in the article > To clarify before we begin, advertising and marketing are not the same thing. According to the American Marketing Association marketing is “the process of identifying customer needs and determining how to best meet those needs.” In contrast, “advertising is the exercise of promoting a company and its products or services through paid channe…

How can you compare these absolute numbers? In 2015 BMW had 25 times more revenue than Tesla, and only spend 4 times as much as Tesla on marketing. So in relative terms Tesla is spending way more

Marketing seems to be largely not correlated with revenue/sales, besides things like buying the badges to put on cars.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by judge2020 »

jhgb wrote: post #121
boublepop wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying a company that literally sent a car into space has a zero dollar advertising budget is just a combination of Hollywood accounting and delusion.

Tesla didn't send a car into space. SpaceX did. And since SpaceX needed to send something on the new Falcon Heavy's test flight, and nobody was willing to trust an actual satellite or space probe to it, I wonder how you could even place a budget on it. It was just a glorified mass simulator.

Tesla is the one that supplied the VIN 686 roadster (~109k opportunity cost) but enormously benefitted from the marketing and social media crazy of launching a car into space and having a website dedicated to tracking it (they don't even pay to run this; lucky TSLA) https://www.whereisroadster.com/

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by spockz »

jedberg wrote: post #61

This article talks about their new electric sedan and future SUV. And here I am still waiting on electric minivan. I regularly have to carry six people around, two of which are children and two of which are elderly, so I can't use anything that requires climbing to get into the seats (like every six seat SUV). Am I really that small of a market that no one wants to make an electric minivan, or is it a technologically…

My biggest gripe with SUVs is that even the biggest ones like X5 and XC90 comfortably fit 3 passengers in the rear. There appears to by an Audi Q7/8 that could do it but it isn’t hybrid/electric.

Then If you want more, you have to get a 7-seater. But actually using it as such eliminates any cargo space from the boot.

And this while the outer rear seats are hugely wide and there is a ton of space between theseat and the door. My Passat gte has 20cm on each side where the sitting part of the bench extends further than the back of the bench. That could also have been used to make a comfortable seat in the middle.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by jhgb »

aeternum wrote: post #115
minhazm wrote: post #104

This is a good achievement by Kia. However I'm surprised that no one is pointing out that the Tesla record is from 2015 in a Model S 85D[1]. The Model S 85D had an EPA estimated range of 265 miles and the maximum charging rate was 125 kw. It would be far more interesting if this was done again with a 2021 Model Y which has a range of 330 miles and can charge at up to 250 kw, and is physically closer to the Kia EV6 in…

It also looks like this was a pre-production model. It's very easy to change the charging params and achieve super fast charging if you sacrifice some battery health/longevity.

Also, apparently while the Kia took 7 days to do this trip, the old trip took 59 hours: https://jalopnik.com/they-drove-a-tesla-from-la-to-new-york-... . The different speed might account for some of the charging difference as well. In any case saving five hours of charging to lose over four days on the road seems like a weird trade-off.

EDIT: BTW someone predicted results for different cars using ABRP: https://old.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/qwnsa1/ki...

All cars on the list should be able to do the trip in under two days. Furthermore, median predicted charging time is seven hours as well. The best results could be under six hours.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by jhgb »

pornel wrote: post #33
kjksf wrote: post #30

I just finished 2k+ california => florida road trip in an electric car and can say with confidence that this comparison is total and utter garbage. Here are the factors that influence your total charge time. 1. Charger speeds vary from 50 kWh to 250 kWh. That's 5x difference just based on what charger you'll happen to use. 2. The energy usage (due to air resistance) is non-linear with speed. Driving at 85 mph could u…

The points you're making are valid, but the article is about a Guinness World Record. A world record is by definition the best case, and it must have been verified by Guinness. I don't think anyone expects their Sunday road trip to beat a world record.

World record in exactly what, however? Not in total trip time since the old record is way better than the new one in this respect (like, one third time of the new one). I'm pretty sure that if someone attempted that in a Tesla, it would be much better than at triple the speed. Apples and oranges here.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by BlueDingo »

jedberg wrote: post #61

This article talks about their new electric sedan and future SUV. And here I am still waiting on electric minivan. I regularly have to carry six people around, two of which are children and two of which are elderly, so I can't use anything that requires climbing to get into the seats (like every six seat SUV). Am I really that small of a market that no one wants to make an electric minivan, or is it a technologically…

I searched a few weeks ago and find there should be a number of EV minivans for model year 2022.

For those saying that SUVs can fit this use case...the SUVs are almost entirely small crossovers. They have the shape but you can't fit more people than a car.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by fishywang »

dotancohen wrote: post #108
bastardoperator wrote: post #56

And this yesterday/today: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-... "issues with “heat pumps, air conditioning” and notoriously, misaligned panels. It’s also worth noting that Tesla’s Model X ranked dead-last among all cars for reliability, scoring a 5 out of 100." I'm wondering if Elon will lash out on twitter or be mean to elder…

It's also worth noting without Tesla there would be almost no electric car market. The occasional Leaf is about as common as a Ferrari. It's also worth noting that Tesla is the first American car manufacturer to bring a vehicle to mass production in almost a century. The only other American company to come close would be DeLorean, who failed after two or three model years and less than 10,000 chassis I think. The pre…

Comparing Tesla to Porsche is just ridiculous. Tesla might get some of the battery thing right, but they get so many car thing wrong.

For example, that touchscreen. Using physical buttons and knobs to adjust things in the car means that the driver do not need to move their sight away from the road, and can do it blindly (because the buttons and knobs are physical that you can feel with your finger). With a huge touch screen and almost no physical buttons, you need to look at the screen almost every time you need to touch something to make sure that you are touching the right thing. This, and the whole "auto drive" shitshow, among a lot of other examples, shows how Tesla don't care about the safety of anyone outside of their cars. And for a car, safety should be treated with the foremost importance.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by tmh88j »

dotancohen wrote: post #108
bastardoperator wrote: post #56

And this yesterday/today: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-... "issues with “heat pumps, air conditioning” and notoriously, misaligned panels. It’s also worth noting that Tesla’s Model X ranked dead-last among all cars for reliability, scoring a 5 out of 100." I'm wondering if Elon will lash out on twitter or be mean to elder…

It's also worth noting without Tesla there would be almost no electric car market. The occasional Leaf is about as common as a Ferrari. It's also worth noting that Tesla is the first American car manufacturer to bring a vehicle to mass production in almost a century. The only other American company to come close would be DeLorean, who failed after two or three model years and less than 10,000 chassis I think. The pre…

>It's also worth noting without Tesla there would be almost no electric car market. The occasional Leaf is about as common as a Ferrari.

Nissan has manufactured over 500,000 Leafs[1] since 2010, Ferrari has produced about 220,0000 in their entire existence [2]

>Honestly, under-warranty misaligned panels and air conditioning complaints are not signs that the company is bad

That's a sign their manufacturing process and QA are terrible. What are you objectively measuring Tesla's reputation on if it's not their ability to manufacture cars? As a life long auto enthusiast I can't roll my eyes any harder at Tesla fanboys who excuse this kind of poor quality on such expensive cars.

1. https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1129561_nissan-has-made...

2. https://www.ferrarilakeforest.com/manufacturer-information/h...

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