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Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by boublepop »

pmcollins wrote: post #40
rich_sasha wrote: post #2

I’m sure there will be rotation in the leader place. I’m just glad there are now other brands matching the performance of Teslas. Their marketing and brand image, so popular with many people, are total anathema to me. I’m not in the market now but can’t see myself getting a Tesla.

How Tesla Spends $0 on Advertising: https://www.themarketingish.com/newsletter/tesla-advertising

Saying a company that literally sent a car into space has a zero dollar advertising budget is just a combination of Hollywood accounting and delusion.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

#42

Post by cpuguy83 »

Xunxi wrote: post #7
akmarinov wrote: post #3

The EV6 has a lot of things equivalent Teslas don’t offer - cooled seats, 360 view cameras, Apple Carplay/Android Auto and it offers similar performance.

The world is such an odd and funny place now. My 2007 Toyota Avalon Touring drives pretty well with none of those 'trinkets'. The utilitarian value of a car seems to be an outlier to a lot of people these days. I wonder if we'll be able to get back to the place where products we manufacture will span decades and commands good value. Electric cars in my opinion should have fewer points of failure but here we are, hank…

Electric vehicles _do_ have fewer points of failure, as I understand it, as it relates to your argument: while actually driving.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

#43

Post by natch »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #39
pornel wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fast charging. Hyundai's E-GMP platform that EV6 is built on uses 800V and supports charging at 230kW. They advertise 18 minutes to go from 10% to 80%.

Oh wow nice. I wish the Tesla had that. We just have to leave it at home when we go on long trips. :( It’s hard to justify adding like five hours to our trip. Just have to take the old Prius.

Sounds like you might not know how to charge properly. I’ve discovered that a lot of Tesla owners don’t. Five hours, for how many miles of a trip?

Edit: Or maybe you did not buy the long range model, in which case you are forced to charge up into the top of the range, where charging is slowest. Yeah that’s bad.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by [deleted] »

rich_sasha wrote: post #2

I’m sure there will be rotation in the leader place. I’m just glad there are now other brands matching the performance of Teslas. Their marketing and brand image, so popular with many people, are total anathema to me. I’m not in the market now but can’t see myself getting a Tesla.

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Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

#45

Post by NikolaeVarius »

boublepop wrote: post #41
pmcollins wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How Tesla Spends $0 on Advertising: https://www.themarketingish.com/newsletter/tesla-advertising

Saying a company that literally sent a car into space has a zero dollar advertising budget is just a combination of Hollywood accounting and delusion.

And this is how we know article has not been read

Very early in the article

> To clarify before we begin, advertising and marketing are not the same thing. According to the American Marketing Association marketing is “the process of identifying customer needs and determining how to best meet those needs.” In contrast, “advertising is the exercise of promoting a company and its products or services through paid channels.” Yes, Tesla does spend money on marketing albeit significantly less than the competition. For instance, in 2015 Tesla spent $58.3 million on marketing when competitors like BMW spent $196.6 million.

They needed to put mass into space, might as well make it funny

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

#46

Post by kabes »

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #45
boublepop wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying a company that literally sent a car into space has a zero dollar advertising budget is just a combination of Hollywood accounting and delusion.

And this is how we know article has not been read Very early in the article > To clarify before we begin, advertising and marketing are not the same thing. According to the American Marketing Association marketing is “the process of identifying customer needs and determining how to best meet those needs.” In contrast, “advertising is the exercise of promoting a company and its products or services through paid channe…

How can you compare these absolute numbers? In 2015 BMW had 25 times more revenue than Tesla, and only spend 4 times as much as Tesla on marketing. So in relative terms Tesla is spending way more

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

#47

Post by JohnJamesRambo »

natch wrote: post #43
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh wow nice. I wish the Tesla had that. We just have to leave it at home when we go on long trips. :( It’s hard to justify adding like five hours to our trip. Just have to take the old Prius.

Sounds like you might not know how to charge properly. I’ve discovered that a lot of Tesla owners don’t. Five hours, for how many miles of a trip? Edit: Or maybe you did not buy the long range model, in which case you are forced to charge up into the top of the range, where charging is slowest. Yeah that’s bad.

Lol open with the attack ok.

I assure you, I know how to charge properly haha. 2021 SR+ Model 3 and 12 hour drive turns into 17 hours when I did the trip planning for our last vacation using the Tesla trip planner. Believe me, I wanted it to work out.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

#48

Post by thatfrenchguy »

Xunxi wrote: post #7
akmarinov wrote: post #3

The EV6 has a lot of things equivalent Teslas don’t offer - cooled seats, 360 view cameras, Apple Carplay/Android Auto and it offers similar performance.

The world is such an odd and funny place now. My 2007 Toyota Avalon Touring drives pretty well with none of those 'trinkets'. The utilitarian value of a car seems to be an outlier to a lot of people these days. I wonder if we'll be able to get back to the place where products we manufacture will span decades and commands good value. Electric cars in my opinion should have fewer points of failure but here we are, hank…

I used to think like this, that my manual transmission was just fine and that really you don’t need all that tech.

Then I bought an electric car and besides being so much nicer to drive, automatic emergency braking saved my and my partner’s life at least twice on 101 from insane drivers merging like crazy.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

#49

Post by xattt »

csunbird wrote: post #11
Xunxi wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world is such an odd and funny place now. My 2007 Toyota Avalon Touring drives pretty well with none of those 'trinkets'. The utilitarian value of a car seems to be an outlier to a lot of people these days. I wonder if we'll be able to get back to the place where products we manufacture will span decades and commands good value. Electric cars in my opinion should have fewer points of failure but here we are, hank…

Exactly, I want my Golf, but electric. 150-200hp, Carplay and Android Auto is all I need.

There was the e-Golf.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

#50

Post by jinto36 »

gandalfian wrote: post #26

Traveling USA coast to coast a Kia spent about 7 hours of travel time charging whereas a Tesla in an earlier trip spent about 12 hours. Whether this means chargers have gotten faster or cars are charging faster or something else is hard to tell.

And it could easily be that the Tesla was driven faster, and thus with less regard to how much range they could get between charges.
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