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Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by speedgoose »

Tagbert wrote: post #107
speedgoose wrote: post #85

I was very interested to buy a Ioniq 5 / Kia EV6 until I saw the software. It felt like something from another time, that was accepted on cheap Android tablets but for sure not on brand new cars.

Are there any auto manufacturers that produce really good software? A few have better design, but even then the hardware is so low spec that the interfaces are laggy.

The BMW software can be a bit laggy but I personally think it's very fine to use.

I'm also happy about the Tesla software. It's not as smooth as an iPad pro, it runs on a shit Intel atom, but it's very good for a car.

I also heard good things about Android running on the Polestar 2 or the future Renault Mégane.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by TheDesolate0 »

bastardoperator wrote: post #56

And this yesterday/today: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-... "issues with “heat pumps, air conditioning” and notoriously, misaligned panels. It’s also worth noting that Tesla’s Model X ranked dead-last among all cars for reliability, scoring a 5 out of 100." I'm wondering if Elon will lash out on twitter or be mean to elder…

Or call rescue worker a "Pedophile"...

Or run a pump-n-dump scam in on a crypto coin community...

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by Tagbert »

account-5 wrote: post #57
pornel wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EV6 price is in the same ballpark as Model 3. EVs have a higher initial cost, but the cost per mile is low. Even in the U.S. with relatively cheap gas and expensive electricity, EV is still cheaper per mile. In Europe it's a bargain, especially if you can charge at home using off-peak/night tariff.

I bought my current car 5 years ago second hand outright for £12k. These cars are at least £35k out of my price range and are about half the cost of my house. I'm not rich. Until these cars are more reasonably priced (up front cost) the majority of people can't afford to buy them regardless of their range or potential saving on fuel.

You really can't fairly compare cost between new and used. EVs have been around long enough now that you could find a used Leaf, Tesla, or some others that would be in that price range.

Currently prices are still high because most manufacturers are addressing range by adding larger batteries. They have been able to do that because the price of batteries has been dropping year over year. As the battery costs continue to get lower, the auto manufacturers will be able to start bringing out models with a lower initial cost.

Prior to this, the market for EVs has been small so the manufacturers have had to focus on higher margin, premium vehicles. As the market expands, the increase in volume will let them bring out models in the more affordable price points.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by TheDesolate0 »

dotancohen wrote: post #108
bastardoperator wrote: post #56

And this yesterday/today: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-... "issues with “heat pumps, air conditioning” and notoriously, misaligned panels. It’s also worth noting that Tesla’s Model X ranked dead-last among all cars for reliability, scoring a 5 out of 100." I'm wondering if Elon will lash out on twitter or be mean to elder…

It's also worth noting without Tesla there would be almost no electric car market. The occasional Leaf is about as common as a Ferrari. It's also worth noting that Tesla is the first American car manufacturer to bring a vehicle to mass production in almost a century. The only other American company to come close would be DeLorean, who failed after two or three model years and less than 10,000 chassis I think. The pre…

LOL.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by aeternum »

minhazm wrote: post #104

This is a good achievement by Kia. However I'm surprised that no one is pointing out that the Tesla record is from 2015 in a Model S 85D[1]. The Model S 85D had an EPA estimated range of 265 miles and the maximum charging rate was 125 kw. It would be far more interesting if this was done again with a 2021 Model Y which has a range of 330 miles and can charge at up to 250 kw, and is physically closer to the Kia EV6 in…

It also looks like this was a pre-production model. It's very easy to change the charging params and achieve super fast charging if you sacrifice some battery health/longevity.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by Tagbert »

throwawaysea wrote: post #86

Is it possible to do something like put a gas generator on a tow hitch platform and charge as you drive for a longer range extension? I am guessing the manufacturers don’t let you charge as you drive but I am curious if there are theoretical blockers to this.

what you are describing is a PHEV (plugin hybrid electric vehicle). The Chevy Volt and Toyota RAV4 Prime are examples of that. Those vehicles are intended to address range anxiety, not charging speed.

Trying to do it with a Mickey Mouse contraption like a generator in a trailer would likely be inefficient and inconvenient compared to an integrated system like a PHEV. Generators are not as efficient as just getting electricity directly from power lines. PHEV's engines are there to power the vehicle when the battery is depleted. they don't try to recharge the battery as that would cost more than just plugging in on a charger.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by theluketaylor »

speedgoose wrote: post #83
manmal wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Kia has an 800V charging system so it's bound to charge way faster than most 400V systems (like Tesla's) as long as the charger supports it (which Kia certainly made sure of while planning the route for this trip). 800V charging is certainly rare and super expensive right now - e.g. Ionity in Europe charges 79 cents per kWh, which is 4+ times more expensive than charging at home - but eventually it should become…

Well, the charging speed is about watts, not volts. On a 400V system you simply need to pull more amps. power = amps * volts. 800V allows cheaper cabling, but that has nothing to do with the charging rate of the battery cells.

CCS has a 500 amp cap in the spec, so here is a limit to how fast 400V batteries can be charged on public infrastructure. Going to 800V removes that limitation as well. Tesla doesn’t care since they control everything and can ramp up the amps, but all other cars that want to charge more than 200 kW need to have higher voltage batteries.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by CameronNemo »

rich_sasha wrote: post #89
bastardoperator wrote: post #56

And this yesterday/today: Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-... "issues with “heat pumps, air conditioning” and notoriously, misaligned panels. It’s also worth noting that Tesla’s Model X ranked dead-last among all cars for reliability, scoring a 5 out of 100." I'm wondering if Elon will lash out on twitter or be mean to elder…

Are these scores age-adjusted? If not this is particularly damning, as Tesla has one of the youngest fleets of cars out there.

I would be interested in something that focuses on recent Model 3s and Ys that are shipped.

An old Model X has issues. Big whoop. They shipped a handful compared what they are now shipping.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by theluketaylor »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #47
natch wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like you might not know how to charge properly. I’ve discovered that a lot of Tesla owners don’t. Five hours, for how many miles of a trip? Edit: Or maybe you did not buy the long range model, in which case you are forced to charge up into the top of the range, where charging is slowest. Yeah that’s bad.

Lol open with the attack ok. I assure you, I know how to charge properly haha. 2021 SR+ Model 3 and 12 hour drive turns into 17 hours when I did the trip planning for our last vacation using the Tesla trip planner. Believe me, I wanted it to work out.

The Tesla trip planner doesn’t make the most optimal decisions. It prefers longer, less frequent stops. Since the battery charge rate isn’t linear you can do significantly better than Tesla’s plan by keeping the battery state of charge low and hoping from charger to charger, getting just enough juice to reach the next one. A recent 7 hr drive I spent less than 40 minutes charging in my 2021 SR+.

Play with a better route planner and you can almost certainly do a lot better than Teslas basic plan.

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