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Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by anchpop »

beamatronic wrote: post #21
Xunxi wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world is such an odd and funny place now. My 2007 Toyota Avalon Touring drives pretty well with none of those 'trinkets'. The utilitarian value of a car seems to be an outlier to a lot of people these days. I wonder if we'll be able to get back to the place where products we manufacture will span decades and commands good value. Electric cars in my opinion should have fewer points of failure but here we are, hank…

I would love to see a minimalist electric car with no air conditioning, no LCDs, cloth seats and hand crank windows.

I understand why you would prefer cloth seats and no screens (I totally agree), but what do you gain from hand crank windows or the absence of air conditioning?

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by anchpop »

kjksf wrote: post #30

I just finished 2k+ california => florida road trip in an electric car and can say with confidence that this comparison is total and utter garbage. Here are the factors that influence your total charge time. 1. Charger speeds vary from 50 kWh to 250 kWh. That's 5x difference just based on what charger you'll happen to use. 2. The energy usage (due to air resistance) is non-linear with speed. Driving at 85 mph could u…

> The energy usage (due to air resistance) is non-linear with speed. Driving at 85 mph could use twice as much energy as driving at 65 mph.

Does this mean I'll use twice as much gas when driving an ICE car at 85 vs 65? Or do gas cars have a higher constant factor or something that makes air resistance relatively less important?

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by bdcravens »

jmpman wrote: post #29
nabla9 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kia's EV reliability > Teslas is maybe the biggest win.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1129993_fire-concern-pr... I don’t remember Tesla recalling all their EVs for fire concerns.

They haven't recalled them, but fire concerns are real.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/08/04/tesla-f...

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by stevewodil »

jmpman wrote: post #29
nabla9 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kia's EV reliability > Teslas is maybe the biggest win.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1129993_fire-concern-pr... I don’t remember Tesla recalling all their EVs for fire concerns.

Literally from the linked article: "Hyundai and Kia have the same parent company, however the Kia Niro EV has completely different batteries on board—sourced by a different South Korea–based supplier...". So nothing about Kia's having a recall.

Also Tesla's have caught fire. It's a risk with all EV's.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by yashap »

Xunxi wrote: post #7
akmarinov wrote: post #3

The EV6 has a lot of things equivalent Teslas don’t offer - cooled seats, 360 view cameras, Apple Carplay/Android Auto and it offers similar performance.

The world is such an odd and funny place now. My 2007 Toyota Avalon Touring drives pretty well with none of those 'trinkets'. The utilitarian value of a car seems to be an outlier to a lot of people these days. I wonder if we'll be able to get back to the place where products we manufacture will span decades and commands good value. Electric cars in my opinion should have fewer points of failure but here we are, hank…

I used to think the same before I got a car with trinkets. Heated/cooled seats (and heated starting wheel) are very nice on cold/hot days. Safety features like auto-braking and blind spot warnings actually do make you safer. Apple Carplay is great for Google Maps, podcasts, etc. Backup cameras are sooooo nice for parking, as are the audio beeps letting you know how close you are to objects (beeps faster as you get closer) - I can reliably get a few inches from other cars while parallel parking in tight spots, and never hit them.

None of these features are necessary, but they’re really nice.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by bastardoperator »

And this yesterday/today:

Tesla ranks almost dead-last on Consumer Reports reliability list

https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-...

  "issues with “heat pumps, air conditioning” and notoriously, misaligned panels. It’s also worth noting that Tesla’s Model X ranked dead-last among all cars for reliability, scoring a 5 out of 100."
I'm wondering if Elon will lash out on twitter or be mean to elderly folks with all this bad news coming his way.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by account-5 »

pornel wrote: post #34
account-5 wrote: post #27

And the cost? The only thing I care about in cars is the cost and how far it drives. The cost and distance between charges (obviously infrastructure comes into this) is why I don't own an electric car.

EV6 price is in the same ballpark as Model 3. EVs have a higher initial cost, but the cost per mile is low. Even in the U.S. with relatively cheap gas and expensive electricity, EV is still cheaper per mile. In Europe it's a bargain, especially if you can charge at home using off-peak/night tariff.

I bought my current car 5 years ago second hand outright for £12k. These cars are at least £35k out of my price range and are about half the cost of my house. I'm not rich.

Until these cars are more reasonably priced (up front cost) the majority of people can't afford to buy them regardless of their range or potential saving on fuel.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by manmal »

gandalfian wrote: post #26

Traveling USA coast to coast a Kia spent about 7 hours of travel time charging whereas a Tesla in an earlier trip spent about 12 hours. Whether this means chargers have gotten faster or cars are charging faster or something else is hard to tell.

The Kia has an 800V charging system so it's bound to charge way faster than most 400V systems (like Tesla's) as long as the charger supports it (which Kia certainly made sure of while planning the route for this trip). 800V charging is certainly rare and super expensive right now - e.g. Ionity in Europe charges 79 cents per kWh, which is 4+ times more expensive than charging at home - but eventually it should become standard.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by onion2k »

Xunxi wrote: post #7
akmarinov wrote: post #3

The EV6 has a lot of things equivalent Teslas don’t offer - cooled seats, 360 view cameras, Apple Carplay/Android Auto and it offers similar performance.

The world is such an odd and funny place now. My 2007 Toyota Avalon Touring drives pretty well with none of those 'trinkets'. The utilitarian value of a car seems to be an outlier to a lot of people these days. I wonder if we'll be able to get back to the place where products we manufacture will span decades and commands good value. Electric cars in my opinion should have fewer points of failure but here we are, hank…

The utilitarian value of a car seems to be an outlier to a lot of people these days.

The utilitarian value of literally all cars is that they get you from A to B. Your Avalon has a V6 engine, tire pressure monitoring, alloy wheels, side airbags, traction control, a stereo system, climate control, power adjusted front seats, etc. You don't really need any of that.

Or maybe you literally can't go anywhere unless you have a leather-covered gear shift knob.

Re: Kia EV6 Smashes Tesla's World Record

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Post by manmal »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #47
natch wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like you might not know how to charge properly. I’ve discovered that a lot of Tesla owners don’t. Five hours, for how many miles of a trip? Edit: Or maybe you did not buy the long range model, in which case you are forced to charge up into the top of the range, where charging is slowest. Yeah that’s bad.

Lol open with the attack ok. I assure you, I know how to charge properly haha. 2021 SR+ Model 3 and 12 hour drive turns into 17 hours when I did the trip planning for our last vacation using the Tesla trip planner. Believe me, I wanted it to work out.

The Kia would probably take 2h or so to charge if you manage to find 800V chargers - would that actually work for you?
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