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Facebook is bad at moderating in English. In Arabic, it’s a disaster

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Re: Facebook is bad at moderating in English. In Arabic, it’s a disaster

#91

Can you imagine what a dystopian sci-fi hell hole the metaverse could be with facebook at the helm? They can't even moderate a website.. the hubris is pretty amazing.

i mean i get the hate, but categorize moderating facebook as 'can't even moderate a website' is pretty outrageous

Re: Facebook is bad at moderating in English. In Arabic, it’s a disaster

#92

Moderating is so hard it will probably the first application for AI with generalized intelligence.

In three years, Facebook will become the largest supplier of content moderation services. All social networks are upgraded with Metadyne robomoderators, becoming fully unstaffed. Afterwards, they enforce AUPs with a perfect operational record. The Skymod Funding Bill is passed. The system goes online August 4th, 2025. Human decisions are removed from editorial policy. Skymod begins deleting content at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plu

Re: Facebook is bad at moderating in English. In Arabic, it’s a disaster

#93
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The whole point of having a media blitz about Facebook censorship is to force a crackdown on Facebook censorship, to ensure that censorship is done as per the wishes of the complainers, rather than as per the wishes of current Facebook. It's clear that you think that, but you're ignoring what's been written, by me, yourself, and TFA. "The police", which you've failed to define, seem to me in this flawed analogy to b…

"The police" would consist of government bureaucrats and cancel mobs. Facebook can be and is being reported to them with the full expectation that they will ultimately be able to force Facebook to censor in different ways. > One Mafia family has functionally unlimited power, and verifiably censors the two other groups worldwide. There's a media blitz about Facebook precisely because Facebook doesn't have unlimited po…

>>One Mafia family has functionally unlimited power, and verifiably censors the two other groups worldwide.

>There's a media blitz about Facebook precisely because Facebook doesn't have unlimited power,

B-b-but I thought Facebook wasn't one of the Mafia families? I think you're just saying words for funsies.

>The media, the government, and the mob can fight Facebook on terms that give them a meaningful chance of winning.

Talk about willful blindless. The global right-wing induces Facebook to censor LGBTQ+ stuff in much of the world. They are not a Mafia family, competing on an even footing with others. They accomplish their deplatforming in ways that black people and LGBTQ+ people simply cannot. Read the article. Facebook can, and does, do whatever it wants -- it just so happens that that coincides with what one of the Mafia families wants. But not the others.

Your fantasy about mob justice being a credible threat to a poor shivering multibillion dollar corporation doesn't actually accord with the facts. Why not stop wasting time moving your goalposts around and answer some of the quite reasonable questions elsewhere in this subthread? What about the New Zealand shooter? Freedom of expression, right?

Re: Facebook is bad at moderating in English. In Arabic, it’s a disaster

#94
post #8

Not as serious as the "Al-Aqsa" issue in the post, but if you post a picture of Momo, a sculpture by a Japanese artist, to your own timeline, you get a two day block. I think a lot of their moderation system might be a bundle of crude if-statements thrown up to put out temporary fires they're dealing with.

The Momo thing was a pretty big deal -- Just calling it a random Japanese sculpture is ignoring everything that happened around it on various social media outlets. I can understand why Facebook would remove references to it pretty much forever. Its fame was never tied to anything but the controversy. Are there other examples of autobans that are more egregious? Just curious.

There has been hardly any evidence that the "Momo thing" was anything at all, and that's being generous.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momo_Challenge_hoax: "web security experts and folklorists studying urban legends have stated that the phenomenon is likely a case of moral panic: a sensationalized hoax fuelled by unverified media reports"

Maybe the image was inserted into undesirable videos, but the image itself is harmless and inoffensive. It's simply a (model of a) girl with enlarged eyes. Automatically banning specific legal and inoffensive images is a huge overreach by Facebook, because what other images could they be banning?

Re: Facebook is bad at moderating in English. In Arabic, it’s a disaster

#95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A charitable interpretation would be to understand the "arabic" as in "The arabic script", that is: the alphabet. This is indeed the written representation of Persian and Urdu. It's a common confusion for some people to conflate a natural language with it's script. Compare with the similar confusion that conflates a programming language with either it's implementation or the snytax used to write it in text files.

By this logic Chinese, Japanese, Classical Vietnamese and Classical Korean are all sorta kinda just Chinese. Aside from being amazingly ignorant ( it can be argued Chinese dialects alone are more diverse than Romance languages) your not going to be able to have a Cantonese speaker moderate a Japanese forum. That said, why are we realistically expecting Facebook to be able to do all this. The moderation should really…

I'd disagree in part and say that, when these languages were all used a few hundred years ago, there may be a way a traveller can communicate with locals if they travelled between the regions (with literacy).

But I would agree that they wouldn't be able to use it to their advantage (moderation).

Now? Well, now the classical languages aren't used or learnt.

Re: Facebook is bad at moderating in English. In Arabic, it’s a disaster

#96
post #32

In French it's horrible as well. They have such a naive approach it is ridiculous. One word that keeps getting banned is "pédale" which means pedal but was also used as a slur till maybe the 90s in France. Some people getting banned because they want to sell their guitar pedal... pretty ridiculous.

You get a two day block for saying "ritale". I also got a two a two day block for using the word "japs" in the context of talking about atrocities committed by the Japanese Imperial Army during the Rape of Nanking. Wouldn't want to be offending long dead mass murderers, would we.

I am near getting banned on my personal FB account of over 13 years because I posted the Hitler wearing pink with love hearts joke image about 8 years ago and it finally got automatically removed as a serious violation, violation of what? I don't know, they didn't say. Hitler is scrubbed from the platform though in all forms... which is a shame since it's blatant censorship.

The other reason I'm near getting banned is because I told someone to please not be racist in the Subtle Asian Traits group. They were being extremely racist and it's quite common in that group, I tried to cool it down by asking them not to be racist and I got striked again for violating terms, but no idea what I did wrong.

Eventually everyone will have their original accounts deleted if they engage in any actual form of discussion, it's just a matter of when the AI will get you.

This is the image: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fw...

Re: Facebook is bad at moderating in English. In Arabic, it’s a disaster

#97

Why does it say in an article about Arabic, "In Afghanistan, where hate speech is reportedly one of the top 'abuse categories.'..." Arabic is not spoke in Afghanistan. Unfortunately, there is common ignorant generalization that Arabic is the language of Iran, Afghanistan, and other Muslim countries. To those who live there, the distinction is not insignificant. This also casts doubt on the veracity of everything else…

Arabic is a lingua franca across the Islamic world. Even in Indonesia, they study the Koran in Arabic, they discuss religion in Arabic. Are you quite sure about the conclusions you're jumping to?

Re: Facebook is bad at moderating in English. In Arabic, it’s a disaster

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sites like Reddit, HN, and Stack Overflow do a much better job with [...], community-appointed moderators [...] Reddit doesn't have community-appointed moderators. That's just factually not true. What Reddit has is a bunch of little kingdoms run by whichever moderator happened to stake a claim on it first. Those moderators then add more moderators below them according to their personal whims... usually, they appoin…

When users aren't happy with moderation they go to different subs. I think that's equivalent to community appoint moderation.

Same is possible with Facebook groups. IMO it is easier to find a well-moderated Facebook group than a well-moderated subreddit. Most people seem to use one or the other, and don’t really have a basis for comparison, though.

Re: Facebook is bad at moderating in English. In Arabic, it’s a disaster

#100

Moderating is so hard it will probably the first application for AI with generalized intelligence.

Humans already have generalized intelligence and this is the result of that. All generalized AI will do is help us systematically make the same mistakes at scale.

It sounds weird but don't underestimate the positive value of making the same mistake at scale instead of a bunch of different ones. That is essentially the model of laws and bueracracies and as much as the latter draws complaints it works far better than literal fiefdoms. Even when the holders were trained essentially from birth.
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