Moderating is so hard it will probably the first application for AI with generalized intelligence.
It feels like an impossible goal.
Moderation or AGI?
Facebook is bad at moderating in English. In Arabic, it’s a disaster
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#12Not as serious as the "Al-Aqsa" issue in the post, but if you post a picture of Momo, a sculpture by a Japanese artist, to your own timeline, you get a two day block. I think a lot of their moderation system might be a bundle of crude if-statements thrown up to put out temporary fires they're dealing with.
The Momo thing was a pretty big deal -- Just calling it a random Japanese sculpture is ignoring everything that happened around it on various social media outlets. I can understand why Facebook would remove references to it pretty much forever. Its fame was never tied to anything but the controversy. Are there other examples of autobans that are more egregious? Just curious.
https://www.insider.com/momo-challenge-hoax-japanese-sculptu...
> The sculpture appears to be Aisawa's interpretation of the Japanese folklore character, Ubume, the representation of the ghost of a woman who died during childbirth ... parents started claiming the image was popping up in YouTube videos, instructing children to kill themselves and keep the clips secret from parents ... There were no screenshots or recordings of such appearances, but the hoax was spread by celebrities including Kim Kardashian and Kehlani.
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#13Why does it say in an article about Arabic, "In Afghanistan, where hate speech is reportedly one of the top 'abuse categories.'..."
Arabic is not spoke in Afghanistan. Unfortunately, there is common ignorant generalization that Arabic is the language of Iran, Afghanistan, and other Muslim countries.
To those who live there, the distinction is not insignificant.
This also casts doubt on the veracity of everything else in this article.
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Momo thing was a pretty big deal -- Just calling it a random Japanese sculpture is ignoring everything that happened around it on various social media outlets. I can understand why Facebook would remove references to it pretty much forever. Its fame was never tied to anything but the controversy. Are there other examples of autobans that are more egregious? Just curious.
https://www.insider.com/momo-challenge-hoax-japanese-sculptu... > The sculpture appears to be Aisawa's interpretation of the Japanese folklore character, Ubume, the representation of the ghost of a woman who died during childbirth ... parents started claiming the image was popping up in YouTube videos, instructing children to kill themselves and keep the clips secret from parents ... There were no screenshots or reco…
> hoax was spread by celebrities including Kim Kardashian and Kehlani
> listening to celebrities
That's your real problem right there.
Re: Facebook is bad at moderating in English. In Arabic, it’s a disaster
#15This is just another case of "police cracks down on Mafia" when it's one section of the Mafia turning in another disfavored section of the Mafia to the police. I've yet to see a recent complaint about inconsistent and discriminatory Facebook censorship say that Facebook should just stop censoring. It's always "Facebook isn't doing enough to censor against the right and in favor of black people and LGBTQ".
If this is true in your experience, you ought broaden your horizons on the topic.
If nothing else, there are certainly plenty of complaints about facially-reasonable-ish policies being implemented in an insane and incoherent manner — like when Facebook or Google take down "extremist content," but it's like video archives of extremists intended to be used to fight war crimes and bring their perpetrators to justice.
e.g. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/05/facebook-a... (Tech Companies Are Deleting Evidence of War Crimes / Algorithms that take down “terrorist” videos could hamstring efforts to bring human-rights abusers to justice.)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-socialmedia-rights... ("'Lost memories': War crimes evidence threatened by AI moderation")
https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/25/21664951/facebook-ban-st... ("Facebook is deleting evidence of war crimes, researchers say / A ban on selling stolen artifacts is having unintended consequences)
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#16This is just another case of "police cracks down on Mafia" when it's one section of the Mafia turning in another disfavored section of the Mafia to the police. I've yet to see a recent complaint about inconsistent and discriminatory Facebook censorship say that Facebook should just stop censoring. It's always "Facebook isn't doing enough to censor against the right and in favor of black people and LGBTQ".
I see plenty of right wing politicians and commentators (and also, though not recently, my extremely left wing ex) complaining that it was censoring their political views unfairly.
Very recently, I have even seen some call for an end to algorithmic timelines, though ironically I can’t find a link.
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#17This is just another case of "police cracks down on Mafia" when it's one section of the Mafia turning in another disfavored section of the Mafia to the police. I've yet to see a recent complaint about inconsistent and discriminatory Facebook censorship say that Facebook should just stop censoring. It's always "Facebook isn't doing enough to censor against the right and in favor of black people and LGBTQ".
>the right [...] black people and LGBTQ A clever elision of what each group mentioned is actually saying... Which one is most like the Mafia, I wonder?
When one Mafia family turns another one in, they're doing it to get back at the other family--they're not doing it because they think that crime is a bad thing. They're perfectly happy with crime, as long as they are the ones committing the crime.
It's the exact same thing for censorship. The people who are complaining about Facebook censorship don't want to end censorship. It's just that they want to be the ones doing the censoring.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Momo thing was a pretty big deal -- Just calling it a random Japanese sculpture is ignoring everything that happened around it on various social media outlets. I can understand why Facebook would remove references to it pretty much forever. Its fame was never tied to anything but the controversy. Are there other examples of autobans that are more egregious? Just curious.
https://www.insider.com/momo-challenge-hoax-japanese-sculptu... > The sculpture appears to be Aisawa's interpretation of the Japanese folklore character, Ubume, the representation of the ghost of a woman who died during childbirth ... parents started claiming the image was popping up in YouTube videos, instructing children to kill themselves and keep the clips secret from parents ... There were no screenshots or reco…
Sounds a lot like Satanic Panic [1]
Re: Facebook is bad at moderating in English. In Arabic, it’s a disaster
#19This is just another case of "police cracks down on Mafia" when it's one section of the Mafia turning in another disfavored section of the Mafia to the police. I've yet to see a recent complaint about inconsistent and discriminatory Facebook censorship say that Facebook should just stop censoring. It's always "Facebook isn't doing enough to censor against the right and in favor of black people and LGBTQ".
If this is true in your experience, you ought broaden your horizons on the topic. If nothing else, there are certainly plenty of complaints about facially-reasonable-ish policies being implemented in an insane and incoherent manner — like when Facebook or Google take down "extremist content," but it's like video archives of extremists intended to be used to fight war crimes and bring their perpetrators to justice. e.…
Of course Facebook censorship is insane and incoherent.
But pretty much no widely publicized complaint about these ever says "Facebook censorship is insane and incoherent, so Facebook should stop censoring". They just want to be the ones in control of the censorship instead.
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#20> hate speech and disinformation targeting at-risk users such as women and the LGBTQ+ community are left rampant on the platform
And Israelis too! Or is it Palestinians who are at-risk. Oh well, I'm sure the moderators will sort that one out