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Re: Daddy isn’t coming back

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Post by NineStarPoint »

Aerroon wrote: post #309
jolux wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not quite as simple as that. One of the reasons the suicide rate is so high in the US is because of how easy it is to access firearms. This suggests that peoples' propensity to commit suicide is at least somewhat dependent on their environment. Given that, do you want to make their environment more or less likely to cause them to commit suicide? I'm in the latter category. As for the concern about basic rights,…

> One of the reasons the suicide rate is so high in the US is because of how easy it is to access firearms. Is this actually true? I know it's said quite often, but there are countries with much much higher suicide rates where firearms aren't nearly as ubiquitous. Eg Lithuania.

The suicide attempt rate is only marginally higher in the US than in other developed countries (something that can be explained by other factors much easier than access to guns)

The amount of people who die to suicide is higher in the US because you are much more likely to actually die if you use a gun to commit suicide than other common methods. Higher access to guns increases the rate of people who successfully kill themselves. (Which is probably a bad thing. In general those who survive suicide attempts are happy that they lived.)

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Post by Clubber »

varjag wrote: post #364
anm89 wrote: post #180

This is the part where every one piles in posting suicide hotline numbers. I would argue most of those people do not have any experience with, or understanding of those hotlines and it's just a trite thing to throw out to show support like "fuck cancer". You should seriously understand what you are signing yourself up for if you call one of those numbers on yourself or someone else. For one you are volunteering that…

Top post on HN discouraging use of suicide prevention hotlines. The fuck is wrong with you people.

People need to know what could happen when they call that hotline. I'm guessing people think it goes something like this:

  "I'm feeling suicidal, let me call the hotline."

  "I called the hotline and now I feel better, everything's great."
In reality, at least in the US, it could be like this and this is codified in law (Duty to Warn):

  "I'm feeling suicidal, let me call the hotline."

  "We've notified law enforcement. The police are on their way."
I'm guessing the reason it isn't always done the 2nd way is because actual therapists know how bad this can be to the patient. Realize therapists are taking a legal risk in not reporting. In the US, the only tool government has for most problems is, "call law enforcement." The only tool law enforcement has it, "take them to jail." If you do some research, you come to realize what a bad tool that can be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_legislation#United_Sta...

If it were me, I would call a professional therapist before calling a government hotline in the US. This is not medical or legal advice.

Re: Daddy isn’t coming back

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Post by varjag »

Clubber wrote: post #372
varjag wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Top post on HN discouraging use of suicide prevention hotlines. The fuck is wrong with you people.

People need to know what could happen when they call that hotline. I'm guessing people think it goes something like this: "I'm feeling suicidal, let me call the hotline." "I called the hotline and now I feel better, everything's great." In reality, at least in the US, it could be like this and this is codified in law (Duty to Warn): "I'm feeling suicidal, let me call the hotline." "We've notified law enforcement. The…

None of the outcomes listed are worse than the actual suicide.

Afraid CPS will take your kids away? Well guess who goes to the orphanage if you bloody off yourself!

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Post by podgaj »

anon_nd wrote: post #297
podgaj wrote: post #10

I have schizoaffective bipolar disorder, and aspergers. I was making $130,000 a year as a network engineer at Cisco in 1999 before I became too sick to work anymore. Right now I am homeless living in my van with a transmission about to go. I have attempted suicide three times already. I keep thinking about doing it again. No one wants to provide me the best medicine, stable housing. I make $1700 on disability but I c…

New anon account for obvs reasons... > My nephew hung himself at 14 years old after a doctor thought he had ADHD and gave him ritalin. It was a misdiagnosis. I have ADHD and the first to get diagnosed in my family, and now that I'm dealing reasonably well with that, strongly suspect other ASD-related traits: obsessionality, sensory issues, social problems, but these lightly enough that I've been able to make it throu…

Thanks for sharing this.

They are finding there is so much genetic overlap for these disorders which is why you see so much similarity in your child, yet there will be differences that might be influenced by his mothers genetics.

My father was no doubt an Aspie, he was a poor Italian boy in NYC but somehow attained a full ride to NYU when he was 16. My mother, a poor Polish girl who ran away from the coal country to NYC where she met my father. She has the bipolar phenotype running through her side of family and she was in and out of hospitals and attempted suicide a few times as well.

So you end up with me, a mix of my mother mitochondrial DNA and my fathers Nuclear DNA. Bipolar, OCD, Aspergers...

Your experience with amphetamines is like mine with Benzodiazapines. When I took them for the first time I finally understood how other people were able to exist in the world. Klonipin stops my suicidal impulses in a half hour.

Regarding my nephew, I was frustrated with my brother, he did not listen to me. I was given Ritalin when I first saw a psychiatrist in 1996 and it threw me into an insane manic episode (I am still apologizing to my ex-girlfriend). That is how that "diagnosed" my bipolar disorder. So being he was realted, and showing some of the same behavior of my other brother who was also bipolar, I felt it was a wrong diagnosis.

I can tell you the most important thing you can do is get your child's full genome run if you can afford it. To me it is the only thing that will help you find what he needs. I have collected about 15 other people's genetics and I often compare them to mine. By a white European standard, I am a genetic "freak". But through intensive self study of nurtigenomics, I have found a lot about what works for me.

And I am sure you know this, but the less stress on your child the better, we need to live a life that looks nothing like the mainstream, and the more you can let him live how he needs to live the better. But I wish my parents could have helped me as much as you have already with your son. My mother told me that since I was pretty intelligent they felt I could be left to my own devices.

But I think mitochondrial genetics is huge in all of this. I have a family's genetics who have two sons with severe Autism and their mitochondrial genetics are different to say the least.

If you want to email about anything feel free: podgaj@fastmail.org

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Post by Clubber »

varjag wrote: post #374
Clubber wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People need to know what could happen when they call that hotline. I'm guessing people think it goes something like this: "I'm feeling suicidal, let me call the hotline." "I called the hotline and now I feel better, everything's great." In reality, at least in the US, it could be like this and this is codified in law (Duty to Warn): "I'm feeling suicidal, let me call the hotline." "We've notified law enforcement. The…

None of the outcomes listed are worse than the actual suicide. Afraid CPS will take your kids away? Well guess who goes to the orphanage if you bloody off yourself!

Yes but if someone were contemplating it and they are looking for someone to help them off the edge (which is the purpose of the hotline), all these things would probably have the opposite effect.

Going to jail is probably better if suicide was inevitable, but if it's inevitable, a person probably wouldn't be calling the hotline.

I think if the hotline was anonymous and untraceable and directly connected a person to a therapist who specialized in that sort of thing with no strings attached, it would be an invaluable tool. Unfortunately it is not that. It certainly could be.

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Post by rubyist5eva »

garmaine wrote: post #338
rubyist5eva wrote: post #76

As someone that was on medication that made me think about comitting suicide regularly, and I've learned to cope and overcome it somewhat...I thought I could read this...but this was like stepping into another reality where I was gone and this was about me. :S :S. and now I'm sitting at my desk bawling my eyes out...just wanting to hold my son and never let him go.

My healthcare provider wanted to switch me from stimulants for my ADHD to an off-label use of an antidepressant which listed suicidal thoughts as it’s most frequent side effect. As a father of two young kids I NOPED out of that real quick. I had to stop reading the TFA because I kept thinking “this could have been me” and spiking my anxiety.

That sounds horrific. I hope you found a doctor and medication that works for you.

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Post by rubyist5eva »

kataklasm wrote: post #308
rubyist5eva wrote: post #302

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I will keep that in mind. I'm up late working a lot lately, maybe a night to just watch a stupid movie instead and sleep in is just what I need.

It's rare to find these thoughtful and sincerely kind threads on the internet these days, but this thread, the one you started, really touched me. HN is truly a wonderful and magnificent place in this wide cosmos of ones and zeroes. Thank you a lot, rubyist5eva, for being such a valuable member of the community and for starting this immensely valuable thread. What you did isn't easy, sharing one's own low points in l…

I'm guilty of the odd shitpost or troll, or forgetting that there is an actual person with feelings on the other side of a heated internet argument - but this thread gave me pause and kind let me re-center myself. Something that's been difficult given the circumstances of the passed two years.

I'm going to try to be better.

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

ncmncm wrote: post #341
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #324

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> why you are always seeing articles insisting, idiotically, that RCTs prove depression medications are no better than placebo You mean Kirsch & Kirsch 1997? Like, that particular study found a really, really small effect in the data submitted to the FDA (so the data chosen by the pharma companies). Even this went away when they used placebos with side effects. More recent work has suggested that they work for severe…

Pharma companies demonstrating that they are no better at impossible things than anybody else does not tell you anything new. Or, did you have a point?

You said:

> It is why you are always seeing articles insisting, idiotically, that RCTs prove depression medications are no better than placebo.

I responded to your claim with a little more colour on that particular trial in order to perhaps start a discussion around what we mean as depression.

Clearly, I didn't succeed at my aim, my apologies ;)

Edit: it's particularly the framing of the trials as "idiotic" that spurred me to reply, so I'd be interested in why you believe this.

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Post by pydry »

ehnto wrote: post #346
yardstick wrote: post #336

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Do you still collect your normal pay while being sectioned in the UK? If not, may as well have been fired…

The UK also has welfare, depending on how high flying your finances currently are, you may not even find yourself falling that far down the ladder. Obviously not great, and non-trivial, but it's a much softer rock bottom than it could be.

The welfare system has been deliberately broken though. The bureaucratic hoops erected in thr last 10 years make it harder for regular people who need help to get while doing little to nothing about fraud.
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