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Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

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Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

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Electronic signatures are free right now. The heavyweight rigmaroles are just security blankets for lawyers. /mindslight/ mindslight (ref: https://www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/documents/sigexamp... )

We see your username when you post, you don't have to sign it.

Just be glad my comment didn't consist of a URL pointing to a completed DocuSign.

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

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Can anyone describe the target market here? Docusign and others have monthly sub rates that would drive the per-signature way lower for large volumes.

I'm not sure if you're guessing, but DocuSign and Adobe Sign's per-envelope (not per signature) rate is expensive and doesn't scale down on volume as quickly as you'd think. In fact, to get lower rates.. you need to buy their "X" and "Y" products/addons (e.g. Contract Lifecycle Management). Bottom line is, whilst the name of this new service is bad and would immediately get a no from our execs, there is a market for…

This makes more sense. And I was guessing based on a few google hits as I hadn't priced out this kind of solution before. Thanks.

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

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DocuSign does not give you an eIDAS-compliant certificate, so what makes it any more legal than any scribble I can do myself?

Lobbying

Which law or regulation have they lobbied through? Or do you mean some non-government lobbying?

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electronic signatures are free right now. The heavyweight rigmaroles are just security blankets for lawyers. /mindslight/ mindslight (ref: https://www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/documents/sigexamp... )

We see your username when you post, you don't have to sign it.

woooosh

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

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Pay as you Go scales until there is enough loyalty and demand that your users opt for a monthly fee to save money. By forcing everyone to a monthly fee you alienate a ton of users that want to use your service but not enough to need a subscription.

The only ones you alienate are penny pinching HN users.

I hope you are being sarcastic. I’ll give two examples: about twice a year I need to (a) send something for signature digitally or (b) send something digitally to a fax number. If I can pay $2-10 for this, I will in a heartbeat and move forward. But it seems every provider wants me to sign up for a monthly plan as if these irregular needs will magically become regular. So instead I waste a ton of time driving to the library to use their fax machine or mailing a paper copy of my signature to someone. I would rather pay a premium to use something every now and then, but I won’t agree to subscribe. If these ever became more than irregular needs I would gladly subscribe to get a lower price per use.

I bet there are orders of magnitude more users like me, the sum of which would be a sizeable market. But instead every SAAS provider is focused only on regular monthly users, ignoring this shadow market. But it is a false dichotomy. Make it highly profitable but not scalable to do Pay as you Go, and then less profitable but scalable to go monthly. Do both.

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

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In this case I think the bikeshedding is warranted. I agree, the name seems antithetical to the concept that the brand really needs to get across, of a solid, trustworthy organisation serving as a proxy for obtaining legally valid signatures. There’s nothing wrong with leading with the marketing message that this is a cheaper solution than the competition but the brand of the service still needs to evoke trust. Lucki…

Bikeshedding is never warranted, but this isn't bike shedding. Bikeshedding would be this name doesn't conform to pedantic reference A. The name going against the core value of a signature may be a simple observation but isn't a shallow one.

> Bikeshedding is...

Frequently statements which start like this also, unintentionally, tend to be great examples of bikeshedding themselves.

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

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One of the best pieces of advice I got when I started my first business (A PC Repair business) was to use the term inexpensive instead of cheap for this reason.

Budget friendly, low cost, entry level. All great alternatives to the word “cheap”.

Personally not a big fan of "entry level" esp when you are offering a service, comes with the feeling of inexperienced imo. The other 2 on the other hand, yeah, they seem fine to me.

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

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In this case I think the bikeshedding is warranted. I agree, the name seems antithetical to the concept that the brand really needs to get across, of a solid, trustworthy organisation serving as a proxy for obtaining legally valid signatures. There’s nothing wrong with leading with the marketing message that this is a cheaper solution than the competition but the brand of the service still needs to evoke trust. Lucki…

Bikeshedding is never warranted, but this isn't bike shedding. Bikeshedding would be this name doesn't conform to pedantic reference A. The name going against the core value of a signature may be a simple observation but isn't a shallow one.

> Bikeshedding would be this name doesn't conform to pedantic reference A.

This seems to be a rather self referential point :)

Re: Stop paying DocuSign $2 for an e-signature

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Pay as you go doesn’t scale. It’s chasing short term growth in lieu of long term stability.

Pay as you Go scales until there is enough loyalty and demand that your users opt for a monthly fee to save money. By forcing everyone to a monthly fee you alienate a ton of users that want to use your service but not enough to need a subscription.

Again this isn’t true.

Pay as you go is a terrible decision to make and you see you all the time you it’s VC backed startups.

They are often forced to revamp their offerings down the line to a monthly fee.

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