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The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by nrp »

kkielhofner wrote: post #68

Note that if you’re building a framework with the intent of using Linux avoid the “vpro” variant of the Intel wireless adapter: https://community.frame.work/t/using-the-ax210-with-linux-on... Last I checked with every recommended config tweak you still lose ~3% battery per hour of suspend, which really adds up and is extremely annoying. We’ve been asking framework to include a notice referencing this issue when confi…

We added a note to the FAQ on the configurator page, but we’ll think through how we can do a more prominent warning.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by warner25 »

marcodiego wrote: post #10

From https://frame.work/blog/linux-on-the-framework-laptop : “ There has been immense interest in this configuration, with it outselling pre-configured systems with Windows 10 by a wide margin.” There is a market. And it is currently under-served.

I believe that the Framework DIY Edition is bringing more new users to the Linux desktop than anything in recent memory. People all over the Framework forum are talking about trying Linux for the first time on their new DIY Edition machines.

When buyers need to opt-in to Windows for $139, it seems to stop the inertia. This is true even in my own case, even though I've used Linux on and off at home and at work for the past 15 years. My previous laptop came with Windows 10, and I just used it like that (with Linux VMs in VirtualBox as needed) for four years. Now I'm getting caught up and keeping up with Linux desktop distro news, excited about it all, and trying Manjaro as my daily OS.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by nrp »

orangepurple wrote: post #90
atemerev wrote: post #6

“We only deliver to the US and Canada”. OK, will have to stay with my Macbook.

There are plenty of ways to shop in the USA and get your products shipped to another country. Example: https://www.viabox.com/

Just a heads up that we’re only able to offer warranty service in countries we are shipping in.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

Tuna-Fish wrote: post #46
maltalex wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Machines ordered without Windows won't necessarily end up running Linux. Many of them could end up running pirated Windows.

There is no need to pirate windows anymore, there are tons of entirely legit windows 10 pro licenses for sale at <3€.

That reminds of the days that I was incorporated, and really wanted to be completely legit. I bought Office 95 Pro for half price, with CD's in a jewel case, complete with holograms on the labels, and considered myself a careful shopper. Then the company I worked for entered into a Select Agreement, and we had a meeting with an official Microsoft representative. I asked him why licenses on the Select schedule were so much more expensive than my copy of Office, and he told me that my copy was bogus. I told him about the holograms and everything! Nope. I paid $200 for very, very good, completely fraudulent and illegal fakes.

After that, I went to Linux on the desktop, and never gave Microsoft another dime, until my wife demanded Word on her Mac a couple years ago, and I now begrudgingly have an Office365 account.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by skinkestek »

anotherhue wrote: post #88
skinkestek wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can get a fully working Windows key for well under $50. I know, I had to get one for my kids. So maybe some are just buying a legal copy at a price that Framework aren't allowed tonsell at. That said, if one isn't stuck in a very Microsoft-centric organization or isn't playing certain Windows-only games, which developer honestly want Windows now that even power management (suspend/resume) seems to work better und…

Many laptops come with two. One on either side of the space key.

My wife is out and kids upstairs so I'm reading HN alone in the living room and actually laughed out loud (after first thinking you had replied to the wrong comment).

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by pydry »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #67
Rebelgecko wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>First of all, computers with Windows aren't any more expensive than the same model with no OS or Linux. That's not what Framework's website is telling me. It looks like getting it with Windows costs up to $199 more

Strange considering other OEMs bundle it for the same cost as Linux. Framework's loss or they just don't consider it important?

Or Microsoft puts subtle, legally deniable pressure on the OEMs.

I've never managed to buy the laptop i want without a windows license. Often it's been a PITA to take it off, too, to add insult to extra cost.

In the 90s they threw their hands up and said it was nothing to do with them that this kept on happening and it was all a hare brained conspiracy. Until that memo came out and proved otherwise, of course.

I can't imagine framework getting the decent OEM bulk windows license deals being as avowedly pro linux as they are.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by skinkestek »

maltalex wrote: post #53
Tuna-Fish wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no need to pirate windows anymore, there are tons of entirely legit windows 10 pro licenses for sale at <3€.

Those are the exact pirated copies I was referring to. Or do you really believe that a copy that costs 3 euro can be legit ?

I bought Pro at around $45 and activated through Microsofts own activation service so while $3 sounds unreasonably low, unless Microsoft has started activating unlicensed keys it is possible to get actual legal keys at a fraction of the list price.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by kkielhofner »

nrp wrote: post #91
kkielhofner wrote: post #68

Note that if you’re building a framework with the intent of using Linux avoid the “vpro” variant of the Intel wireless adapter: https://community.frame.work/t/using-the-ax210-with-linux-on... Last I checked with every recommended config tweak you still lose ~3% battery per hour of suspend, which really adds up and is extremely annoying. We’ve been asking framework to include a notice referencing this issue when confi…

We added a note to the FAQ on the configurator page, but we’ll think through how we can do a more prominent warning.

Thanks for the reply! Certainly a step in the right direction but given the significance of the issue (and unknown response time from Intel) a warning should display whenever the vpro hardware is selected in the configurator. Because of this issue I have to carefully plan when to suspend my laptop -or- shut it down every time.

At this point I’d also be happy to buy a new non-vpro replacement from you but I don’t seem to be able to.

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