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The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by LNSY »

pengaru wrote: post #49
LNSY wrote: post #40

I'm left handed and track-pads have never agreed with me. Other people on this site have recommended the MNT Reform to me: https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform It seems like a different flavor of an open source laptop that people who want a better keyboard and has the option of a trackball (!!!) instead of the trackpad. I think the MNT is going to be my next laptop, but the Frame.work is pretty cool.

The mnt is far more open as well, but there's no comparison in the performance department... you'd have to treat the mnt more like a very underpowered, memory-constrained netbook.

My current laptop is a Thinkpad X200t from 10+ years ago. The MNT has a modern GPU and a nice keyboard. I think it's going to work quite well.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by skinkestek »

maltalex wrote: post #23
marcodiego wrote: post #10

From https://frame.work/blog/linux-on-the-framework-laptop : “ There has been immense interest in this configuration, with it outselling pre-configured systems with Windows 10 by a wide margin.” There is a market. And it is currently under-served.

Machines ordered without Windows won't necessarily end up running Linux. Many of them could end up running pirated Windows.

You can get a fully working Windows key for well under $50.

I know, I had to get one for my kids.

So maybe some are just buying a legal copy at a price that Framework aren't allowed tonsell at.

That said, if one isn't stuck in a very Microsoft-centric organization or isn't playing certain Windows-only games, which developer honestly want Windows now that even power management (suspend/resume) seems to work better under Linux?

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by maltalex »

Tuna-Fish wrote: post #46
maltalex wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Machines ordered without Windows won't necessarily end up running Linux. Many of them could end up running pirated Windows.

There is no need to pirate windows anymore, there are tons of entirely legit windows 10 pro licenses for sale at <3€.

Those are the exact pirated copies I was referring to. Or do you really believe that a copy that costs 3 euro can be legit?

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by lrae »

dagw wrote: post #47
weberer wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's most likely due to VAT adding a 17-27% tax depending on the country. If you check your receipt, it will show you what the price was before tax. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_value_added_tax...

It's not that. A $800 iPhone and a $900 Samsung (US prices) will often end up costing the the same in the EU

So... sounds about right then?

800 US$ are 700 Euro. With 20% VAT that would be 840€. And then you have additional fees on electronics in some countries.

That's your usual "1-to-1 conversion" (with a sometimes like a "50€ premium").

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by dagw »

lrae wrote: post #54
dagw wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that. A $800 iPhone and a $900 Samsung (US prices) will often end up costing the the same in the EU

So... sounds about right then? 800 US$ are 700 Euro. With 20% VAT that would be 840€. And then you have additional fees on electronics in some countries. That's your usual "1-to-1 conversion" (with a sometimes like a "50€ premium").

But surely Apple and Samsung pay the same VAT, so a Samsung phone that costs $900 should sell for more than an iPhone that costs $800 if it was only VAT. Except that doesn't happen. The $800 iPhone costs the same (or more) as the $900 Samsung in Europe. Apple's relative markup compared to Samsung is much higher in Europe than in the US.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by Mikeb85 »

maltalex wrote: post #23
marcodiego wrote: post #10

From https://frame.work/blog/linux-on-the-framework-laptop : “ There has been immense interest in this configuration, with it outselling pre-configured systems with Windows 10 by a wide margin.” There is a market. And it is currently under-served.

Machines ordered without Windows won't necessarily end up running Linux. Many of them could end up running pirated Windows.

Doubt it. First of all, computers with Windows aren't any more expensive than the same model with no OS or Linux.

The Framework is niche hardware and honestly, it's doubtful non-developers would ever hear about it. Odds are it's something Linux users are seeking out.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by Mikeb85 »

Causality1 wrote: post #41
bigyellow wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same, really not a fan of the dumbed-down Apple look laptops are heading in. Look to old school Thinkpads if you want "Linux-friendly" inspiration.

I just don't understand how everyone but me seems to just be okay with not knowing where left click stops and right click starts. They're just fine with having the pointer jiggle around whenever they click because their thumb doesn't stay perfectly centered while pressing down. How do people live like this?

Tap to click. No one actually physically clicks the corner of the touchpad.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by pengaru »

LNSY wrote: post #51
pengaru wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mnt is far more open as well, but there's no comparison in the performance department... you'd have to treat the mnt more like a very underpowered, memory-constrained netbook.

My current laptop is a Thinkpad X200t from 10+ years ago. The MNT has a modern GPU and a nice keyboard. I think it's going to work quite well.

Maybe, at least that era of Core 2 Duo thinkpads supported 8G of RAM...

I was in a similar boat until last year when I switched from a modded x61s to an x220 i7 then x230 i7 w/16GB which I'm still using and cost under $300 on ebay. The HD4000 iGPU is at least Vulkan capable.

It's really unfortunate the imx8 SoC didn't have even an 8GB variant. The fact that you can get a raspberry pi with more memory than the Reform is such a bummer.

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