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The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Microsoft actually offers Windows 10 for free, with some cosmetic restrictions until you pay for the license.

Could you please provide information we're I can get that free of Windows?

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10I...

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

#82

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Microsoft actually offers Windows 10 for free, with some cosmetic restrictions until you pay for the license.

Could you please provide information we're I can get that free of Windows?

you can download it for free from microsoft, install it and use it no problem. like he said it has limitations until you pay, but you can use it forever without paying

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

#83
post #70

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Thank you for the reply, however, I cannot disable my personal values and preferences.

Could you tell us what are they based on? My ones are on security and control.

Without knowing or caring about ME or PSP, perhaps they mean the behavior of AMD the company vs. Intel the company. I am an AMD man as often as possible for this reason.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

#84

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Microsoft actually offers Windows 10 for free, with some cosmetic restrictions until you pay for the license.

Could you please provide information we're I can get that free of Windows?

The "cosmetic restrictions" are the "Activate Windows" watermark and the inability to change any setting under Personalization in Settings.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

#85
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>First of all, computers with Windows aren't any more expensive than the same model with no OS or Linux. That's not what Framework's website is telling me. It looks like getting it with Windows costs up to $199 more

Strange considering other OEMs bundle it for the same cost as Linux. Framework's loss or they just don't consider it important?

I would guess it's a combination of Framework not having the same deal the big OEMs are getting, OEM grift, and based on the price, Framework appears to be selling retail Windows licenses rather than OEM licenses.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

#86

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Could you tell us what are they based on? My ones are on security and control.

Without knowing or caring about ME or PSP, perhaps they mean the behavior of AMD the company vs. Intel the company. I am an AMD man as often as possible for this reason.

> perhaps they mean the behavior of AMD the company vs. Intel the company

In short: "There is a computer inside your computer. And it can computer while you computer"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

#87

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Machines ordered without Windows won't necessarily end up running Linux. Many of them could end up running pirated Windows.

Microsoft actually offers Windows 10 for free, with some cosmetic restrictions until you pay for the license.

Restrictions:

https://windowsreport.com/windows-10-used-without-activation...

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

#88

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Machines ordered without Windows won't necessarily end up running Linux. Many of them could end up running pirated Windows.

You can get a fully working Windows key for well under $50. I know, I had to get one for my kids. So maybe some are just buying a legal copy at a price that Framework aren't allowed tonsell at. That said, if one isn't stuck in a very Microsoft-centric organization or isn't playing certain Windows-only games, which developer honestly want Windows now that even power management (suspend/resume) seems to work better und…

Many laptops come with two. One on either side of the space key.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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It’s ‘possible’ maybe unlikely at 3€ However there is a license recycling market that buy up unused or reassignable licenses from say software shops that have gone under and still have 100 visual studio licenses etc

Yes, i want to go legit by paying pirates for, checks notes, buying grey market license keys that could be disabled at any moment

Microsoft never bothers, and at 3 euro the risk you have that "activate windows" might have a low chance of popping up again is well worth it. Just make sure its not a volume license key and your pretty much good to go.

Is it really pirating when all you get is a key and a legal inactivated copy of windows from MSFT's servers says it's legit?

I bought an OEM pro key for $15-20, and it works great.

Research it a bit more and if you call MSFT support, they go into a loop about how if you typed it in and windows says it's good, it's a legit key from their perspective.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

#90
post #6

“We only deliver to the US and Canada”. OK, will have to stay with my Macbook.

There are plenty of ways to shop in the USA and get your products shipped to another country. Example: https://www.viabox.com/
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